Acer pseudoplatanus 'Esk Sunset' Leaves are a bit wilted
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Acer pseudoplatanus 'Eskimo Sunset'
Comments (23)'Puget Pink' is both a clone and a seed strain raised from seeds of 'Prinz Handjery' and has the same general characteristics. This last is basically a more vigorous version of 'Brilliantissimum', with purple instead of green leaf undersides which may be seen as marring the color effect produced by the leaves rather than adding to it. I was able to get the preferred 'Brilliantissimum' from the Frank Byles company in Olympia back in the day. Others may be growing 'Prinz Handjery' under the name as stock of this other cultivar was supplied to retail garden centers in the region as 'Brilliantissimum' for some years by a grower in Oregon. Another place I have seen the true item is the Froggwell garden on Whidbey Island, where Holly Turner had several of them. Otherwise I pretty much never see this here. Recently I saw some potted stock of 'Esk Sunset' that was mildewing noticeably. So I would definitely make a point of maintaining consistent summer soil moisture with any plantings of this introduction here. Grafted stock of sycamore maple cultivars will presumably have sycamore maple roots, unless another species is being favored by commercial propagators for this purpose. At any rate all maples can be hard to garden under once they get big enough. However since 'Esk Sunset' is slow-growing planting one of these is not likely to result in a large area full of competitive roots anytime soon....See MoreOzark's Fall Color Part Deux
Comments (33)Yes Lou, I had seen the picture of the very thin lobes. It's certainly worth grafting to see if it maintains. These kind of sprouts (witches brooms) aren't all all uncommon, and they can be due to many things. Mutation is one possibility, but there are viruses, bacteria, chemicals, and even some insects can cause these. Examples of altered growth such as this are galls produced on Oak leaves by a wasp, tulips that are a marbled mottle coloration is due to a virus and not a mutation at all, tomatoes get very think and wide leaves upon almost any chemical exposure. So it's too soon to call it a mutation IMHO, and certainly can't tell if it's stable. If in fact it ends up being stable, then could be a good candidate for producing light shade in areas where you would not want dense shade. So have you seen the thin leaves yourself? I saw where he said it was on 'Golden Dragon', and it would be nice if it retains the same intense gold coloration in fall. Arktrees...See MoreTree Price Limits?
Comments (39)Time passes quickly. Plants grow. It seems like every house I've ever sold, the new owners let much of the planting die from neglect. So I can't see spending a lot of money on trees. I haven't gotten diseases on cheap trees. I've got 6 silver birch that I paid $1.75 apiece for from the University of Idaho (that's pretty darn cheap). They are now 25 feet tall and still very healthy. No diseases there. 100's of 25 cent pine trees never had a problem. I buy bare root fruit trees from a local discount house that buys from a reputable nursery. I've been doing it for years. Paid between $8 and $13 apiece for them. All are healthy, well grown, and bearing fruit. I much prefer to buy trees that I can see in person. I will buy mail order only to get things I can't buy locally. That's how I got the only diseased tree I've ever bought. From a mail order place with a good reputation, I got a nectarine with peach leaf curl. Everything else from them has been fine and if I'd seen the tree in person, I wouldn't have seen leaf curl on a dormant tree. I think I paid $31 for a tree to arrive next spring. That's the most I've paid. No wait... I once bought an expensive 15 gallon orange tree, which died a long and lingering death, in spite of very good care. So expensive doesn't necessarily guarantee a healthy tree. My son doesn't seem to consider price if it is something he wants, but I think his top paid so far is about $50....See MoreInteresting (to me) maple graft and Acer compatibilities
Comments (12)pteroceltis, It looks like you have a bit more experience with this tree than I do. As you can see by my User Name, I'm a big fan of Acer griseum. Here's what I do know that may help you: Seeds: Most seeds contain an embryo and hardly any endosperm to speak of. Another plant that shares this characteristic is the orchid. Understanding how the orchid propagates naturally by seed, I think, can help us understand how griseum does as well. The orchid bursts out millions of dust-like seeds on the forest floor. Those that land on a specific fungi will find the nutrients necessary for the seed to germinate. On their own, they do not have the CHO or the proteins to create roots or shoots. Likewise, griseum needs a food-source for germination. Also, the casing is extremely hard and thick. Scarification really isn't enough. It's a wonder that the tree has made it this far in evolution. Forgive me if you don't believe in evolution. Whether we came from a similar ancestor as the monkey or not, plants do adapt over time, and natural selection does occur. Anyway, some propagators have had success using this understanding and have almost surgically removed the embryos and placed them in a nutrient-rich petri-dish. The embryo germinates and we have a new plant. Vegetative propagation: The general rule is, the younger the stem tissue, the more likely it will root. Seedling cuttings root pretty easily. But, seedlings are small and have very little stem to use. It's like a cycle: Take a seedling, cut it, root it, you now have another seedling. And, to get the original seedling, you have to get the seed to germinate. The trick we use is to almost force the well-established stock plant to succor: Hack it down low to the ground. Then, several immature stems come up. Then, use those to root. But, you have to let it grow green a little to continue to feed the roots. So, let one stem grow as a leader for the season. Ok, that's griseum. But, the other plant you mentioned was cappadocicum. I will not pretend to be an expert on this plant. I know that it is related to truncatum; which easily hybridizes with platanoides (Norway). Is Norway not an aggressive weed up in your part of the country? So, my assumption - and sorry this was so long - my assumption is that Forestfarm used cappadocicum as a rootstock because of it's aggressive tendencies to your area. But, it is not as aggressive as platanoides. So, you have a rootstock that will be extremely successful in your area with an ornamental top. Here's the concern: Maples are broken down into several groups. There really should be several genus' to break them down. Perhaps there will some day. For example, the Sugar Maple Group contains: Sugar, Silver, Red, Bigtooth Boxelder, Black, and some others. Japanese, for example, is not one of them. Nor is griseum. However, Boxelder is. Follow me here. The more related they are, the more compatible they are and the more likely the graft will take and last. I talked with a professor by e-mail at Penn State a few years ago. He was doing a test on graft compatibility of a Red scion and a Sugar stock. It looked successful for six years. During the seventh year, the graft split and the trees fell at the graft. I don't know if griseum and cappadocicum are in the same group or not. I don't believe they are. However, Boxelder is trifolate and is in the Sugar group. cappadocicum is almost a webbed palm. As far as maples go, there isn't a more entire leaf that I've seen. It's the flower, fruit and seed that determines the relatedness, not the leaf. So, I'd ask Forestfarm just how long this union has lasted in their experience. Just because it took in the greenhouse and lasted a few years at the farm, does not mean it will last for a lifetime in someone's landscape. I'm sorry if I confused or frustrated you. I just want you to understand why I would check with the grower their success on it. I'd hate your favorite tree to fall over one of the years during a wind storm. ericpaul...See Morestuartlawrence (7b L.I. NY)
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