Hi Jackie, thank you! Well, first, I have six buds of BA inserted into Pink Clouds which are green and swelling after more than a month, so they should be safely able to be considered "takes". It will likely be spring before they produce enough growth to do anything with. I don't know if they will flower then or not as I don't know how mature they must be before flowering. My hope is to be able to generate more wood for propagation. Once there are blooms, you can be sure they will be posted to Help Me Find. There really isn't any way to know for sure how they were confused or when. I guess, if you squint really hard and really want to believe, Spray Cecile Brunner might be able to be confused with the single, nearly century old photograph of Bloomfield Abundance. This one is particularly satisfying for me. I have maintained for more than thirty years that what has been sold as BA is definitely a mutation of Cecile Brunner. There is absolutely no way the stated parents for Bloomfield Abundance could result in a definite Tea-poly result. We've seen more than hundred years of Wichurana breeding and none of it has resembled anything approaching Cecile Brunner's foliage or wood. This Bloomfield Abundance does resemble some of the results The Brownells obtained in their decades of work breeding "HT's" using Wichurana to create their "Sub Zero" roses. If you look at Flower Carpet and the Kordes results from their breeding with The Fairy, that should also give you an indication of what you should expect the results to look like. The report that BA had been grown in the family for a generation could have easily come from someone giving them the plant and remembering its identity incorrectly, or someone being sent out to collect wood from it and selecting the wrong plant to cut from. The former is common in commerce as well as in "pass along" situations. The latter is also common. Probably the most famous example was when Huey was mistakenly collected as Ragged Robin, resulting in Huey becoming the standard stock in US commercial production. Or, it could simply be the situation of, "Gee, that looks like Bloomfield Abundance", so it became BA. However it occurred, I agree with you that it is exciting to finally have a potential candidate for being the REAL one! I'll keep you posted how these develop. Happy Thanksgiving! Kim

2004 FLORIBUNDA ROSE LIST PART 1 Listed below is a very comprehensive up to date listing of Floribunda roses, eligible to be exhibited in a rose show. All are registered with ARS, or assigned an approved exhibition name, "AEN". Many are varieties, which are not listed in the latest "AEN", or other ARS publications. Its a handy reference of information for judges and exhibitors, or anyone just interested in roses that will perform well in their garden, based on reports from people who have grown them over the years. Corrections / Additions / Deletions will be posted, as official information becomes available. Any help in making this list more accurate and beneficial to the user is always welcome. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>KEY INFORMATION(1)-ARS "Approved Exhibition Name", AEN. (2)-ARS awards received. (3)-Blooming Habit: P, patio rose of adequate bloom and growth for container growing; CL, climbing variety; HB, hanging basket; G/D, garden / decorative. (4)-Petal age: single 4-11; semi-dbl 12-16; double 17-25; full 26-40; very full 41+ petals. (5)-Bloom Form: HT hybrid teas (exhibition); OGR old garden rose; open; flat; cupped. (6)-Bloom Size Open: Small, under 4cms 1.5"; Medium, 4 to 7 cms 1.5" to 2.75"; Large, 7+ cms 2.75+". (7)-Blooming Habit: BIC, borne in clusters; S, solitary. (8)-Color Classification. (9)-Year the rose was registered. (10)-The latest average national garden & exhibiting ratings: 9.3-10 one of the best; 8.8-9.2 outstanding; 8.3-8.7 excellent; 7.8-8.2 very good; 7.3-7.7 good; 6.8-7.2 average; 6.1-6.7 below average; 0.0-6.0 not recommended. (11)-Growth Habit: SG, spreading / ground cover, BG bushy; CG compact;,UG upright. (12)- Fragrance: A, fragrant or slightly fragrant; B, very fragrant.(13)- Plant Heights: L, under 24"; M, 24 to 36"; T, 36+". *************BY: Ronald Sshwerdt 5-14-04************* A.J. 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Ingrid - Yes, it's been 2 seasons already, and we have managed to move the following roses from off or near the house into the New Garden Cl Rainbow's End Anna Olivier what might be the correct Bloomfield Abundance Mme Caroline Testout Pink Pet Schmidt's Smooth Yellow Little White Pet Reve d'Or my Mystery ancient one whose original plant grows in a hedge a white china rose whose name I can't find Also an original plant from the ancient garden is thriving there - we did not move it, my Dh put the fence around it - common name "Spice Plant", and a totally new vollunteer Holly Hock showed up this Spring - it is gigantic. Here are a very few pics for you: This is the stump of the plant of Anna Olivia which was growing 15+ feet up our house, after it got chopped down and transplanted This is the same Anna Olivier bush now, creeping up the fence to hopefully leap over to the top of the "tunnel" in the Side Garden next door: This is Fortune's Double Yellow - we did not move this one - my DH just built the back garden fence to include it: This is the bush of Cl Rainbow's End that we did move off of the house - my DH built is a trellis to grow on: Here is the amazing Hollyhock which just joined the garden all by its own volition: Overview of one half of the garden early this Spring, before anything was blooming much, but you can see that it is a garden, not a bare place as it used to be:

Such a great discovery! Thank you for starting this thread and posting pics, Jackie. Photos are rare, and I suspect more info is much needed. I have none to contribute as I’ve not grown this old rose, but I thought my oooing and ahhhing comment would serve the double purpose of bumping this post back to the top. What has been identified as BA has such glossy foliage and the bloom is so not Spray Cecile. How the heck did these two ever get confused? Everyone should have listened to Jack Harkness! Carol P.S. Your beautiful 4 O’ Clocks: BA was smothered by love!