How to mitigate acid in ketchup
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Comments (11)Ajsmama, I believe you could use the frozen bananas, and yes I do use the Witty recipe for canning. The Indonesian Ketchup, though, is not a canning recipe. Following is the recipe for Chile-Soaked Chicken with Indonesian Catsup from the book "Big Flavors of the Hot Sun" by Schlesinger and Willoughby (1994). I don't know if it is still in print, but it's worth acquiring used. Serves 4 as a main entrée. 2 pounds boneless, skinless chicken breasts 1/4 cup minced, fresh red or green chilies of your choice 1/4 cup lime juice 1/4 cup soy sauce 1/2 cup water 1 tablespoon freshly cracked pepper In a large bowl combine all the ingredients, well mixed. Cover and refrigerate 3 to 4 hours. Remove the chicken from the marinade (discard the marinade) and grill. Just before the chicken is done, brush with Indonesian Catsup. Serve the Catsup on the side. Indonesian Catsup 1/2 cup of molasses 1/2 cup soy sauce 1/2 cup packed brown sugar 2 tablespoons minced fresh ginger 1 teaspoon nutmeg (freshly grated if possible) 2 tablespoons freshly cracked black pepper In a medium saucepan, bring all the ingredients to a boil, simmer for 7 to 10 minutes. Remove from heat. Will keep refrigerated for several months. Deborah...See MoreRecipe using ketchup and hot peppers?
Comments (12)I understand your comment that your question (removing the oil) is different, but the recipe is the same and the overall issue is the same - "Is it possible to safely can this recipe?" The problem with posting two different threads is 1) Members don't have convenient access to the original discussion, which already addressed some of the issues with this recipe 2) Those who search the Forum find duplicate threads and have to sort out which is relevant to them. Although your question is different, it's a reasonable follow-up to the original and it would have been helpful to have posted it as a development of the first thread. Otherwise this Forum becomes buried in redundancy. To follow up on what Dave said so well, Ketchup has a pH varying between 3.89 and 3.92, so it is safely high-acid. There is also the vinegar, which has a pH ranging from 2.4-3.4. Again, high-acid. However, peppers range in pH from 4.65 (some few hot peppers) way up to 5.93. That is high pH (low-acid) in canning terms, and botulism loves high pH (low-acid). Botulism also loves water, which fresh peppers have in abundance. So while elminating the oil "helps" (makes the recipe less risky) it doesn't resolve the problem. The problem is we cannot tell you any safe way to can this recipe because 1) We have no idea what proportion of peppers to ketchup/vinegar we are talking about 2) We have no idea how the density of the ketchup around the peppers would affect heat penetration, thus affecting processing time, and 3) We lack the testing facilities of a commercial establishment/USDA facility or Extension agency. I know there are many Forums and sites on the internet which post a wide variety of "canning" recipes. However, it is a huge responsibility to recommend a recipe and we should not take lightly the safety issues. There are just too many unknowns to recommend or "create" a processing method or time. There are times we extrapolate from existing recipes, but even then we try to be careful to caution that we are only speculating, not providing safe-tested information. It is a frustration, I know, to find a recipe you like and to know that others have processed it and not yet run into problems. However, the question is do you want to serve something to loved ones and friends when you are not 100% confident of its safety? Carol...See MoreFlavor -- Acid Sweet Fruity -- Golden Gem Hybrid from Park's
Comments (4)Jan and Dave, You both use the term "complex." What does that mean? Is it the same as "balance", which after googling some more, I have learned is not too much sweet or acid, as in wine. Or does complexity add something else? By the way, I found a free glimpse of a paper indicating that high acid and high sugar together do in fact correlate with high flavor. I also learned that the acid content declines once the tomato ripens past "breaker" stage, whatever that is. Maybe that explains why I don't like tomatoes after they have been sitting out for more than a day or so, unless they were green when they started. It would seem that you need to eat a tomato once it is ripe, because left out it loses acid, and in the fridge it loses sugar! The black tomatoes came up when I googled "complex tomato flavor," along with a few others I can add to the list. I should search the forum with that term. Black Cherry for example. BTW, I am looking for early tomatoes, and also for varieties that will live through the hot summer and start bearing again in fall. We have a long spring and a long fall. Thanks so much for the recommendations and comments on my list!...See MoreAre you a ketchup snob? Have a favorite condiment?
Comments (51)LOL! Writersblock, I think "plain" including mayonnaise must actually be a local oddity. California hamburgers normally come with mayonnaise or hamburger sauce (akin to 1000 Island dressing, but with different proportions, sometimes idiosyncratic to the chef), but plain means no condiments, and the vegetables on the side if you don't specify. Rusty, I only heard about burgers not having mayo/sauce when I was lunching with a friend from Boston. I think mayonnaise is common throughout the West. Which drives her nuts. :) When I was a kid, the lack thereof--in kid lore--was a telling point as to why McDonald's weren't "real" hamburgers. :) (It was probably the moms who first said they weren't "real" meaning that they weren't good quality food, and the kids were just trying to figure out why.) I ran out of ketchup, a few days back, in the middle of making Sloppy Joes. I compensated. The resulting mix was very tasty, and did have some ketchup, not to mention mustard, hot BBQ sauce, onions, parsley, S&P, bell peppers, jalapeños, and even some carrots and other odds and ends. That's what's so fun about Sloppy Joes. You can put anything in. It's like a salad. It was very tasty. Reaction? Needs ketchup!...See More- 9 years ago
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