I do love the scent of this Gain Icy Fresh Fizz. I was talking to Todd recently (aamassther) and we both agreed that P&G powders, even he turbo, are insanely sudsy and just will NOT rinse. You do not have this problem with them? Also, if you reduce Tide or Gain powder dosing to reduce sudsing, the clothes do the smell clean!

P&G he turbo liquids however are truly low sudsing and easy rinsing, and we have v e r y soft water (0-1 grains).

Mama, keep us posted. You can also add a Tide Odor Rescue or White pod with your Gain powder!!! Amazing scent and powerful clean!!!

I'm loving the heTurbo liquids! Such an improvement over the he liquids P&G had on the shelves. I'm pretty much sticking to heTurbo liquids now. I was going to pickup some Tide Mtn Spg powder today but sounds like it is sudsy and hard to rinse? No thanks!

No I'm not having suds issues with powders and I'm very happy about that. I suspect my machine uses more water on some cycles than other machines..something I've noticed not long after getting my machine but I could be wrong. Whites, allergen, heavy duty, delicate all show water up over the bottom of the door and along both sides of the clothes...I think of course this allows for better rinsing.

Larsi I turned into a liquid and pod junkie. Seriously I reached for liquids 99% of the time for months now. Than reading over on AW as I frequently do I was reminded how consistant use of liquid detergent causes nasty slimey moldy build up. I believe these guys. They know washers inside out and have seen it many times. I want my washer to continue giving me years of trouble free preformance. So I made a decision to use my powders, I will of course use liquids, but they won't be my main source of detergent. Same with FS. I've found myself using it too often. Anyone that thinks this won't cause a build up even washing in hot water...put some FS in a cap..let it sit out all day..dump it out and look at the thick ring of coating on the cap, run it under hot water..it won't come off unless you scrub with a rag. its thick, gooey and resembles glue. Test it for yourself.

MamaP

Do not worry about liquid detergent or fabricsoftners. You are one of few that really know how to do laundry and take care of your machine. As you do so many superhot cycles every week your machine cant build up any gunk.

My machines are now 6-7, 9 and 9 and I use both and do superhot washes on a weekly basis.

You are also very careful about dosing so do not worry. ;-)

MamaPinky....LISTEN to me and Linus!!! Do not pay any attention to those old fogies on Automatic Washer!!!

You know, I know, Linus knows, Jane knows, George knows, Alex and Alex know, Todd knows, Sparky knows and all our fab members on this Houzz forum...that using liquid detergents and even liquid fabric softeners regularly, but correctly will NOT, will NOT cause any damage, harm, build up, gunk or make problems now or down the road in your machine.

HOT, regular washes, Sanitize regular washes is what keeps the inside of the machine clean!!

Over the years, I have seen a few times where a Tech has taken a front loader of mine apart...and the inside is flawlessly clean and gunk free. I mean literally looks unused!! I use A LOT, A LOT of fabric softener and while I do use powder now and then I use A LOT of liquid detergents.

Please stop worrying about this. There is no basis!!! XOXO

mama is on her way to California. Say good-bye, Larsi.

Larsi, I've given this thought...LOL@ you calling the AW members old fogies..did you know Dadoes our resident genius is one of the AW's most respected members as is others here. Hehe. I know you always had sterling machines but you also wernt such a big liquid user than.

Listen kiddos I'm looking into this for my own piece of mind. I'm also not saying liquids are bad..I'm saying talk of liquids being the main daily driver is not good.

Would you expect anything less of Mamapinky...than there's the little issue of how protective I am of * Lar* my Duet.

Wish Dadoes would give his opinion on this??

I'm still using liquids I'm just using more powder in ratio.

I look forward to dadoes chiming in here. I have to say, I do prefer liquids but have tried to lessen my use.

I have always used liquids Mama, although I always had powders as well (Original Tide powder, Persil Universal powder and sometimes Persil Pearls, but I have never liked the Pearls).

I have just come to the conclusion (and I always knew this really), that everything I wash using a liquid...feels, smells and looks better than powders. Also, I find the liquids much less messy, easier to measure and they clean wonderfully. Twice a week I do wash at 150-175F using a Grab Green POWDER pod though and once a month I do a Clean Machine cycle with Tide washing machine cleaner powder. There is not a chance in hell that any build up could build up ;)

I really believe the problem with build up, gunk, mold and mildew is only washing with tap cold, cold or warm and leaving the door closed when not in use and not cleaning the detergent and softener trays.

I know Jane (Rococo) only uses liquids, and her Miele is pristine inside and out.

Sorry dadoes, I know he is a wealth of knowledge....but a lot of those AW members are what we call in German, Besserwisser and old fogies ;)

This is getting fun.

Larsi..are you becomming cray cray my chick...I know up until at least Xmas of 2015 you almost only used powders. LOL.

I'm still researching the use of liquid vs powders.

Larsi those old foggies can tear a machine apart and rebuild it with their eyes closed lol.

Pat you are soo cute. Lol

LOL....Yes MamaP, I used to use a lot of powders, but always had liquids in stock and used regularly (but you are right, powders were my daily driver)!

I think if one is not great with blazing hot washes, then it is best to stick with powders....I agree with you. But, if one knows to do regular HOT washes and understands basic and easy FL machine maintenance, then liquids are safe, fine and great!

Yes, them old fogies on AW can tear apart a Lady Kenmore or Westinghouse and rebuild with their eyes closed.....it is just not relevant or important to 99.9% of us or the world. ;)

Larsi... (((HUGS)))

Priceless.

I have owned two top loaders in the last 15 years. The first one was a Kenmore and it developed a stinky moldy dirty wet sock odor. I got rid of it thinking the water was not being pumped out. So I broke down and bought a Speed Queen. Same thing. I did some research and realized I had been using liquid detergent for around the last 13 years. Powder detergents have more water softeners. Not only that but I am noticing my rinse water is cleaner with the powders. I am not using tide, though. Too expensive.

MamaP and Larsi. They are both definitely missed.

elbits, ALL washers retain some water (from the last sequence of the cycle, which of course is a rinse) in the pump and tub sump, both toploaders and frontloaders (also dishwashers).

dadoes, so, er, um, are liquids the problem? I can't remember if you prefer one over the other. I'm old . . . . . my memory is going . . . . but I do remember you are one of our resident experts here. Help.

We had a used Kenmore 80 series machine that had a slightly musty smell as well. I’m sure it was from cold washes, liquid detergent, and fabric softener! Never had the drum out, but I can only imagine. Now my Duet, you could eat out of it. It really depends on habits.