Best source of organic nitrogen
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farmerdill
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hairy vetch plus nitrogen source etc?
Comments (10)kimmser/peter- Thanks for the interest and info. I recently had a soil test done (my first one) and everything was in the high range EXCEPT Potassium. However, for whatever reason, my soil test results did not include the amount of nitrogen. I notice on the soil report that nitrate nitrogen is listed but there is no info about it in the results column. I was thinking that NITRATE nitrogen would be something that applied to synthetic fertilizers moreso than organic... but I really don't know. So, I don't know how much nitrogen is already there. Do I need to find out? How do I find out (soil test is done by Clemson University). The only other unknowns are sulfer & percentage of organic matter because apparently they require separate tests. The PH is 5.9 with a buffer ph of 7.75 and Clemson does not recommend liming at this level (although it is borderline). This test was taken prior to putting in my garden (first one this plot) and I added black kow, blood meal(5lbs/100sqft), greensand 10 lbs/100sqft)and rock phosphate 10 lbs/100sqft)at levels designed to bring a medium or low reading up to high. So, I'm thinking that because my garden was so BAD this go round that all of these additional ammendments are still there. So, don't really think an additional soil test is necessary but I'm probably going to get one anyone more or less out of curiousity. Kimmser- I did the settling out test and mostly what I have is sand. Very little organic matter and clay. Thus the reason for trying hairy vetch. I'm also guessing that there is little bacterial activity because of the lack of organic matter (thus the reason for thinking most of the "blood meal" is still there. Drains well, smells fine, no earthworms. Yeah, it needs some work, I'm starting to understand why. Peter- Interesting on the addition of rye to suppress the weeds. I take it the hairy vetch is slow to cover, I thought it would do ok on it's own. Based on what I've said above, would you agree that a nitrogen source is probably not necesary. 4 years for a soil test seems reasonable to me. Sure would like to get to where I don't need them at all to understand how my soils doing. Another apparent misconception on my part is that I'm going to be able to plant my spring garden in the plot that I plant the hairy vetch in now (winter cover crop). I was thinking I'd till it in a few weeks before last frost and everything would be better for my spring/summer garden. What I'm hearing you say is I probably need to wait. Trying to come up with a plan that I can rotate out spring/summer & fall/winter cover crops with spring/summer and fall/winter gardens. Attempting to figure how many separate plots I need to take things in and out of rotation so that I can get the organic matter in while also cutting down on disease because I rotate. What's the worse case scenario if I don't include the cereal rye with the vetch? So the cereal rye actually kills weed/vegetable seeds? Certainly didn't know that. I thought it was just weed suppression because it grew fast and got ahead of all the weeds thus shading them out and or choking them or something. Is the weed seed killer nature specific to cereal rye or is it particular of all the ryes? What about mixing in some sort of clover vs the rye? My brains spinning already when it comes to scheduling. Thanks for reminding me about the innoculant. Keep forgetting about it. Sounds like it's pretty important. Is there any info out there about how an innoculant could potentially be bad for your soil? It's not introducing something to it that hasn't been there in the past? Thanks all!...See MoreFish meal and other organic nitrogen sources
Comments (4)I use feather meal. It is the same nitrogen content as fish meal 12% for half the price. I'm sure some of the other things in fish meal make it a better product but my garden is so large and exspensive to ammend. Animals like feather meal too. My dogs lick it if they can. I water it in and put mulch on top and that seems to help. The roses have responded really well to this....See MoreBest nitrogen fix
Comments (18)Okay, so the lab is giving you nitrate only and the method they use is cd-reduction. (in case anyone cares, they're oxidizing nitrate (NO3) into nitrite (NO2) and measuring the total nitrite and reporting it as nitrate) A lot of times they don't measure ammonium nitrogen since it isn't used nearly as much by plants (but they do use it a little and aquatic plants use it almost exclusively). Your total available nitrogen will be higher than 4.7 ppm but I wouldn't guess by too much unless you've added something recently that has a lot of NH4 in it, like a biosolids compost. I water with mostly irrigation, pumped from a lake That makes sense. Fluoride will usually come from your water source. Although many municipalities add fluoride to their water, I've never seen it high enough in water or, consequently, soil to be a concern for plants when potable water is being used. I've only seen it at higher levels in irrigation ponds, lakes, wells, etc. We don't know exactly how high it is in the soil or water in your case but if the plants look good, don't sweat it. However, if you ever end up with burning foliage on some plants and you've ruled out everything else, fluoride toxicity might be another avenue to explore. The best way to nail that one down is through tissue analysis. Where is the best source to buy large quantities of bloodmeal? A farm supply store. How much per 1000 sq ft would you suggest I use? In any single application with bloodmeal I like to keep it at around 2 lbs. of actual N per 1000 sq. ft. (The lab's recommendation of 20 lbs. per 1000 seems awfully high....maybe there was a typo and it was actually saying 2 per 1000?). Bloodmeal usually has an analysis in the neighborhood of 12-0-0 so you would use about 125 lbs. for the whole garden at 7500 sq. ft. (Or about 16 lbs. per 1000 sq. ft..... 15 lbs. to make it easy). would you put the bloodmeal in this fall, or wait until spring? Where are you, what are you growing and when do you plan to plant?...See MoreQuick source of nitrogen around the house?
Comments (26)I've see alfalfa pellets used around the State Capitol building and the surrounding parks. The roses are beautiful. I think there are beneficial fungus in those pellets that help fight the bad fungal diseases. And yes, the water from the pond or aquarium filters are good for your plants. The same with the bloody water from rinsing the meat, or from cleaning fishes, you use them immediately to water your plants. Of course, spread them around the yard to diffuse the smell....See Moretishtoshnm Zone 6/NM
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