I deadhead as soon as the petals had wilt. Honestly, I had no idea what to use for support but when I saw how big they got I figured it was too late.

Do you feed you ND's, and if so, how often? I'd love to see pictures if you have some on hand.

If they only bloom once a season I may transplant them after the upcoming summer.

Your plants are still young, so I wouldn't conclude they're once-blooming if they've given you repeat bloom prior. I do feed my ND after the first flush, but mainly use compost. This year I'm going to give them some turkey manure and see what that does. They are own root. Yours looks very pretty growing as a bush; maybe you should just let it do its thing. It's certainly easier to manage growing low. That's why I like mine on the balustrades instead of up a wall where I'd need a ladder to deadhead.

I've been working on a major redo of my upper garden, so I just transplanted them all last spring and they came back great, but not like I hope they do this Spring. ; ) Maybe I'll post a pick of the May flush if I can get all the balustrades and other stonework fixed by then. I'd be too embarrassed otherwise. There are a few flower pics posted, which I'll see if I can find and link to which gives you an idea. ND is my avatar, btw. I love this rose, although it IS a monster. : )

Yeah, I think I'll leave it as is. I just hope it blooms more this summer. I'm wondering if I didn't water it enough after the spring rains? Feeding it after the first bloom is definitely on my to-do list.

Oh my goodness, that's what ND does if left naturally? That's exactly what I wanted, a huge shrub!

I have ten plants that are just huge masses of tangled canes that were lying on the ground. I tried to tie them up on a ten foot pole and the canes are just getting longer and headed to the ground again.

I would love to just leave her alone if she'll behave like Oakley's! Thanks for the picture!

You have 10!!!! New Dawn. How did I miss that? How closely are they spaced? I think the above is a picture of 1 bush.

LL, I worry about you if you have ten! ND is a scary rose as far as I'm concerned. I grew several for several years, and not a one bloomed more than once a season. When I became a member of the Forum, experts here (roseseek and others) told me that my NDs had reverted back to its "parent", a once bloomer. ND is a sport and sports often revert since they are technically clones. At the moment, I can't remember the clone parent--it's Dr something. I removed all my NDs because they were difficult to care for, too large, bloomed only once, and were thorny monsters. Diane

Oh dear. Mine are own root and they were one of my first newbie purchases late last spring when practically everything was sold out already.

My newbie thoughts were:

Can take shade (didn't realize that my east ones at 8 hours a day weren't considered shaded!)

Can deal with bad soil (didn't realize that some roses like clay!)

Could grow huge like a shrub and cover my building without any work from me.

Supposed to have strong scent and a pretty color.

The reality for me is:

They haven't bloomed first year.

They have grown 14' canes that attack people and are extremely hard to deal with, constantly trying to get them off the ground.

I didn't have a plan in place to tie them up because I thought that they would be years away from that kind of growth.

The east side of the building with morning sun of 8 hours could be considered a prime spot, not as challenging as the north side (where I have only two of them).

I paid $37 X 10 so I've been stubborn about getting rid of them though I've come SO close to digging out the north ones.

My source of inspiration for them has been VV's love for them but I think that she's a much more advanced gardener with a better location for them! If I move them, I was going to run them on a fence but if seems like I will still have a lot of chores keeping them on the fence, LOL!

New Dawn is a sport of Dr Van Fleet, a great rose in it's own right, but a once bloomer - and yes, it's known for sporting back. I'm wondering if your rose was simply putting on a lot of vegetative growth at the expense of flowers this year - I have heard of the principles of treat it a bit mean to induce flowering but I confess I don't quite know how to go about it with a rose!

I might actually post a question asking about the process of sporting because it's something I don't understand - I can easily see how a sport can get started - you see it in other plants, where a new branch will grow green or variegated depending on which direction it's porting in, and it's the same with new growth on roses I believe. If you don't prune it out, depending on the vigour, it can gradually take over the entire plant, and if it's a reversion, it often does, because the base state should in theory* tend to be more stable. (*There's a whole lot of latitude and complexity in that 'theory' I know.)

I don't see how an entire rose can sport immediately though, unless it has grown new laterals all over that have all sported simultaneously AND there have been no old other laterals to bloom.

I confess I have googled this before and have rapidly run up against the limits of my working scientific vocabulary and, alas, the paywall of published journals.

LL, I'm sorry I came down on ND so hard, but I sort of had the same experience as you years ago. No one (if you're not on a forum) tells you how fast those NDs grow. And tough--a gopher got to one of mine and knocked it down to a little bit of one cane. The roots were gone. That ND came roaring back. It was like watching some prehistoric creature rising from the swamp! I am not exaggerating. Until roseseek clued me in, I had no idea why my NDs were only blooming once a season. Anyway, if I were you, I'd remove some of your NDs to give each remaining one more space. The ones getting 8 hours of sun are, indeed, in a prime location. Then be sure to have strong support structures, of course. And, most, important, buy some goatskin gauntlets to wear when you are pruning and dealing with those monster canes.

Sorry, I missed VVs mention of Dr van Fleet. My NDs arrived as bare roots from David Austin, and had reverted back in their entirety from the very first. So, technically, they were Dr van Fleet, not New Dawn. Sports have the same genetic make up as the plants they sport from. They are clones. They are the same rose, but one is expressing one characteristc a little differently in that ND has occasional rebloom. Diane

FDUK, I've wondered about that myself and will ask my DH tonight if he can explain. LL, I don't know how big your plants are, but here is my experience with one of mine I grew as a little rooting I planted in Sept. 2014. It liked the move and gave me one bloom. I was happy it survived the polar vortex. 2015 it grew more and gave a very few blooms. 2016 it started with the huge basal breaks and what I consider normal bloom. I realized two ND within 5'-10' of one another was too close, so I'm going to move it to my fence with my new Florentina in March. I'd do it now if I could depend on the weather.

I might also mention again that my original two plants are from the 1930s, if not from the year they were introduced. Perhaps they were just good clones as I always get consistent bloom. Better now that I dead-head more consistently and actually watered them, and certainly not like the first flush or Munstead Woods re-bloom, but there's always a sprinkling in the backdrop that helps set off the others. It is also the last to stop blooming often into Dec.

LOL, swamp creature indeed! As a newbie, anything that didn't turn brown and die immediately was thrilling to me but now I'm starting to get a bit more discriminating!

If she will look like Oakley's and cover a building with no human assistance, I will be happy. Otherwise, I'm going to have to face the fact that I bit off more than I can chew and have to start over with the tallest most fragrant shrub that I can find.

VV, I do know that I'm too impatient, LOL! Mine are about 5'- 6' apart currently.

I have Awakening, another more double sport of ND I believe. It is a lovely constant bloomer and I'm thrilled with it, but I only have one.

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Oh hey, Sheila, we're awakening rose twins. I have three growing along/into a fence with the idea of removing the other two once they get really big (I always like to go into things with an heir and a spare).

I hope that I'm not giving a negative impression of New Dawn. I should be thrilled that they are so boisterous! I was just too much of a newbie to realize what 10 of them involved.

Sheila, I had actually picked out Awakening first but it was never in stock. I thought that it was thornless at the time, but have read conflicting reports since. Yours is beautiful!

That's more than one bush. I planted 3 different one's at the same time. From the left are red roses which barely grow and I think has thrips. Next to the red is white, then ND next to it. To the right of ND are Knockout's.

Help me figure something out. Does New Dawn come in white also? I can't remember the white rose's name. But I can remember the pink ND. Do you think the 2nd bush is of the ND family?

I might as well ask here, should I destroy the red rose bush? It forms large buds then never open. Thankfully the disease never spread to the other bushes but the red has had the same disease since I planted it.

I need to read up on sport. Never heard about it before i/r/t roses.

My goal is for a fence line and if the ND won't bloom more than once, I need to find a vine of some sort that can grow in it.

Oakley, I've been searching for roses that will do well in Oklahoma. I was wondering if your New Dawn is in full sun or part shade? Also, has it had any problems with black spot?

Carol

Looks like you have a knack for growing roses, Oakley! Four bushes, but only one is New Dawn? There is also White Dawn, the child of New Dawn x Lily Pons. Although the description page at HelpMeFind says "occasional repeat", under Member Ratings you'll find 7 members gave it a Good+ on repeat. Sue

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Nice photo! I love ND, I started with 3 grafted ones, 2 went back to their Parent, became once bloomers. Last Sept? I bought 6 ND and 3 White Dawn from a nursery for $9.99 each! :-) There were huge in 3 gal pots sadly sitting there looking for a home, so I took all the ND and White Dawn, plus Pretty in Pink Eden, Pearly Gates, JFK. So now I have ND & White Dawn climbing on trees, and north facing wall. They don't grow too big here, up to 12-14' .

Thanks Vasue for listing the link. I looked up New Dawn also and was disappointed to see the fragrance listed as moderate. Heirloom had listed it as very fragrant. Can anybody say that theirs is very fragrant?

I did have one single bloom last year and it was pure white and scentless, but I thought that was just because they were new.

On the positive side, mine have had zero blackspot and are still green after -3 windchills!

Sandplum, I think it would like your area just fine based on what we've seen.

Carol, ND is in full sun, and no blackspot. It appears to be very healthy. I'm pretty sure we can grow just about all Rose's here.

Vasue, there is a total of 7 bushes in that row. 2nd and 3rd from the left are N.D. Well, I'm thinking the white is ND also. The rest are Knockout's.