Umbrella Rose Tree Trellis in the Making
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Comments (5)I bought two of the largest; I don't remember which ones are the largest. Be prepared to place them in a protected area, because they are not sturdy at all (I am very gentle here...). I grow Celine Forestier on one of them and Papi Delbard on the other. These roses are not giants but stronger wind gales several times uprooted the trellises and almost uprooted the roses despite the fact that the trellises are anchored with rebars and now supported with tree strings (not a very pretty sight, I have to say but by midsummer all these don't show). Unfortunately I could not find anyone who makes a more decent Monet umbrella structure, and I had no idea how weak the J&P structures were when I purchased them. My two umbrella trellises are installed in very exposed sites, so if yours will be in a protected area, you may avoid the frustrations we have to cope several times a year....See MoreRose Trellis question
Comments (12)4x4 uprights are definitely the best to use - the longest are generally around 3m and you will need to sink at least 2 feet into the ground. Don't be tempted with metposts (I dunno what they are called in the US but they are metal feet which fit round a post with a spike driven into the ground) - there is no substitute for digging a deep hole, at least 1foot wide and 2 feet deep, placing the upright and filling the gaps with concrete (sand or aggregate and cement, 5:1 ratio - you should be able to buy a mix ready prepared for a timber post - just add water). You can wedge a few half bricks in the hole too. Keep checking your levels with a spirit level and knock in a temporary brace until the concrete sets overnight. You can have a gap of 2m between posts (or even more depending on what is used in between posts). To hold the uprights parallel to the house walls, you can use a short piece of 4x2, screwed to the upright and sitting in a joist housing (screwed into the masonry wall This is an easy way to maintain rigidity. You might want to stain the tanalised timber or simply let it age to a grey colour...and you can finish them off with finials or post caps if you want to. I would probably go for a shorter post of 2.4m (8 feet) keeping 2 feet underground and 6feet height. MAC will attach to the trellis and arch over, fountaining outwards - the 6feet of trellis is high enough for this rose as it is not happy being squeezed into a flat 2 dimensional shape - it has many basals which are sturdy enough to allow a degree of self-support and you will not easily tie in canes at a height much higher than 6 feet anyway so the extra height of uprights is a bit superfluous and a shorter upright will have more stability....See MorePlease help me choose roses for tree guards!
Comments (11)Here's my rebar rose "tree." I'm winding Don Juan and Henri Martin around the base and the trunk (like a pillar) instead of inside like in the other links I posted above (like a standard). Mine isn't grown in yet, but I think it gives you a good idea of what it could look like. http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/4243730/umbrella-rose-tree-trellis-in-the-making But for french rose tree guards, I would personally plan on having the rose grow inside (like a standard). Based on how large they are, you might be able to split them in half and put them near a wall to make them into 10... but I would be more inclined to use them whole as 5 because they are so beautiful from every direction when you use them that way. It really creates a WOW factor. I am so excited for you! I can't wait to find out which roses you choose and see your photos!...See MoreCan I use an umbrella trellis here, or would it look too weird?
Comments (37)Thank you. I cannot tell you how grateful I am for all the help. It's wonderful. My family is great for practical help, but not this kind of thing and certainly not roses. Although I'm an average gardener at best, they speak of me like I have some magic way with roses and plants.... It might take a while, but when I need something done that I'm not able to do, someone else will. I am blessed with a wonderful family and they have made my illness much easier to live with. I'm very grateful. There is a mature olive tree that protects this bed during the hottest part of the day. Bed faces N/W, and I think this particular bed is safe from stucco flashback. I have other beds that really suffer from it. Thankfully this isn't one of them. Any thoughts on Lady Ashe as well? Lisa...See MoreLisa Adams
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