Hold onto my cash or take smaller mortgage?
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To pay off or not to pay off mortgage - pls check my #'s?
Comments (38)Hi graywings, I started reading this thread without noting the dates the posts were written. Dave, I don't want to put you on the spot, but I am wondering how the accounts you spoke of in 2007, the 72c Guaranteed Savings accounts (equity-indexed fixed life contract, or annuity contract) have weathered over the last three years. Heh... you can "put me on the spot" in this regard *ANY* time ;~) Both the equity indexed life & annuity products have *VERY* strongly outperformed the unprotected stock index markets over the same periods of time (since 2007. In fact, going back from today to almost as far as you'd like.) Their design is that they capture & credit any annual upside (to a maximum gain,) and lock that amount permanently to your credit. On any years with a downside, your account sits tight with no losses at all (guaranteed by the insured backings of the company reserves and the state's guarantee association (each state's equivalent of a regional "FDIC" in essence.) If you put $100,000 in the S&P 500 for the last decade, you'd actually be holding a bit LESS than $100,000 today (not deducting the tax or management fees that may also be applied.) The same $100,000 in an insured indexing account would be approximately $211,768, net of everything (taxes & fees,) *OR* about an average annual tax-free rate of return of 7.06% Alternatively, those folks who decided to take their working capital OUT of growth, and put it into their real estate equity, have been double-stung; Not only have they gained nothing toward retirement, their equity values have decayed from 10-30% (depending on the area.) The clients who've been with us the last 3-5 years have been rather relieved, ecstatic, and pleasantly bored, all at the same time. Its a very nice financial reality to provide. Cheers, Dave Donhoff Leverage Planner (PS. to re-paraphrase celticmoon; When everyone else's retirement nest-egg is drowning deep underwater... its kinda nice to be riding on the back of a "duck" ;~)...See MoreHow long will it take me to pay off this mortgage
Comments (9)Using those figures, Quicken sez the loan originally would have ended 4/1/18 with a payment of $1235 (seems a month too soon, but whatever). Paying $100 extra on payments 1-24, then $200 extra on paments 25-36 (you say that $200 was "for the last year", so I'm thinking that is June 06 to May 07, Quicken sez the balance now should be 149,425 (pretty close to your 150,000). So the numbers aren't lining up exactly - depends partly on the gap between the closing and the first payment... but close enough. If you went back to the $1549 starting with the June payment, Quicken sez you'd end September 2017 with a last payment of $976, 7 1/2 months ahead of the original loan schedule. (=11,600 less in payments in exchange for that 6,000 prepaid to date. If you keep prepaying $200 as is your plan, Quicken sez your last payment will be in March 2016 for $1439, just over two years ahead of schedule. (= 39,000 in payments saved in exchange for the 25,000 you are prepaying over the life of the now roughly 13 year loan). Folks will argue you should keep the mortgage and invest that $200. There are ways to have it drafted and making it hard to get to. Most certainly you should consider investing instead if you have not maxed out your tax deferred retirement options. Unlike a "rainy day" fund, tht money would be pretty hard to get to. (And I say this as someone who did choose to prepay a 4.75% mortgage! Every situation is different.)...See Morewill seller take wad of cash or insist on getting a check
Comments (27)Actually, Greg...you're incorrect with that assumption. There are a few caveats, however. If I, as an individual, am conducting a garage sale Saturday morning & you hand me cash for that old dresser I've got...I could refuse to accept your cash...maybe. Possibly, not even then if you were to actually take me to Small Claims Court. Why? Because by offering my dresser at the garage sell, it could easily be argued that I was willing to enter into a contract to sell the dresser for some price. If I agreed to your price offer...cash is "legal tender" for payment in the US. Fearing for one's safety does not negate cash being "legal tender". Imagine what a nighmare this country would be in if everybody could go around saying, "I won't accept your American dollars as legal tender"? That was a problem back in the days of the old Silver Certificates that were issued by individual banks. We corrected the problem and now have a centralized banking system with one national currency. And, to answer your question more directly... If I'd signed a P&S Agreement with a Seller and I arrived at closing with cash & the Seller would not accept my cash as "legal tender"...you bet your life I'd sue. And, I'd win. That's the law of the land...like it or not. Cash remains "legal tender" in the US. You just can't escape that. Now, it's certainly not always practical to pay with cash which is really what most of you are talking about & I agree with you from that standpoint. But, those who say cash won't be accepted are just wrong. The laws of our country say otherwise. You're getting confused with company policies...it is the company's preference that you not pay with cash. But, by Golly, if you don't trust banks & all you ever use is American Greenbacks...that company legally has to accept your currency. They may huff...and they may puff...because it's a PITA for them; but, they HAVE to accept your cash. Tricia...See MorePay cash and get mortgage?
Comments (10)Hello, Bellamy. Here are the reasons: 1. At the price point I'm looking at, there will be some substantial repairs needed. The longer those are delayed, the more damage will occur and the more they will cost, so they should be done right away. Leaky plumbing is different from an ugly kitchen as far as how soon it must be dealt with. A nicer kitchen can easily wait till I get everything paid off. Structural stuff can't. 2. I'm not considering the mortgage deduction at all in deciding whether or not to do it this way, although I would prefer to do the loan as a mortgage so that it's deductible. If I'm paying some interest, why not have it be at least partially deductible, if it can be? I know what you're saying, though. My mother had a friend who was fairly well off and her accountant kept urging her to pay off her older mortgage, which was at a higher interest rate. She wouldn't, because she wanted the deduction, since it was the only big deduction she had. That was silly. 3. Yes, I could pay cash for the house and for the repairs, but it would put me in a position where I would feel very uncomfortable if I had a catastrophic medical situation, for example, and the total cost of the mortgage over its lifetime at the current interest rate would be approximately $4K, plus whatever fees. While it would be nicer not to have to put out that kind of money, to me it would be worth it to know that I could do this and still be set for emergencies and not making a huge dent in my retirement savings (I'm self-employed). I can live hand to mouth and have done that, but it's much pleasanter not to. I totally hate debt, but I've looked at this from a number of different angles and in the long run I think that buying will be cheaper than continuing to pay rent, since I live in a winter resort area and the only places where rents are going down proportionately to the drop in sale prices are those where the owners are in pre-foreclosure and desperate for any income. I don't want to get into that kind of situation. If my income level continues to be what it is now, I should be able to pay off the loan in four or five years at the most, and at worst I could scrape by on minimum wage and still make the basic payment as well as HOA, taxes, insurance. If I could pay cash for everything, if I stayed 6 or 7 years I could give the place away at to charity at the end of that time and really not be out more than I would if I continued to rent the same amount of time. The mortgage interest means I would need another year or so to get to the same place....See MoreUser
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