Are we seeing an unprecedented public meltdown?

10 years ago

I have never seen a political arena like the one that is occurring now. Not commenting on the political philosophies, just the actions of the Republic nominee. Now he's threatening to quit? I imagine the USA is the laughingstock of the world. Not meaning to stir up trouble, delete this post if you must. FYI, I am a conservative and would like the opinion of both sides without bashing, please.

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10 years ago

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Link: Some of Hillary's accomplishments

Feel free to compare them to Trump's.

A few more:

By Bill Burton, former senior strategist for Priorities USA Action, a super PAC in support of President Barack Obama.

It’s kind of hard to pick one accomplishment for Hillary Clinton.
Personally, I’m sure she’d say her daughter and grandchild are her
greatest accomplishments. Professionally, how about these three?

1. Her China speech on women.
2. Her role in killing Osama bin Laden.
3.
Management of the State Department during which time we saw a 50
percent increase in exports to China, aggressive work on climate
(particularly at Copenhagen), and the effort to create and implement the
toughest sanctions ever on Iran—helping to lead us to the agreement
currently on the table.

***

‘The sanction on Iran that brought them to the table’

Howard Dean is the former governor of Vermont and the former chair of the Democratic National Committee.

Hillary Clinton was the principal author of the sanction on Iran that
brought them to the table.

***

‘Nearly every foreign policy victory of President Obama’s second term has Secretary Clinton’s fingerprints on it’

By Harry Reid, Senate Democratic leader.

American foreign policy was stronger when Hillary Clinton left the
State Department than when she arrived. She took the reins from a Bush
administration that had left America’s reputation deeply damaged and
planted the seeds for the foreign policy successes we see today. From
the agreement to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, to the
landmark normalization of relations with Cuba, nearly every foreign
policy victory of President Obama’s second term has Secretary Clinton’s
fingerprints on it.

Her accomplishments extend to health care, as well. As First Lady,
she helped create and guide through Congress Children’s Health Insurance
Program, a key program that brought health care coverage to millions of
children. As a Senator, she worked across the aisle to provide full
military health benefits to reservists and National Guard members.

Secretary Clinton was also an outspoken champion for women around the
world. She set records for travel while leading the State Department
and used every trip to empower the women of the 112 countries she
visited. She made gender equality a priority of U.S. foreign policy. And
she created the ambassador at large for global women’s issues, a post
charged with integrating gender throughout the State Department.

***

‘The SCHIP program … which expanded health coverage to millions of lower-income children’

By Anita Dunn, Democratic political strategist.

After universal health care failed in 1994, the Clinton
Administration was reluctant to go anywhere near healthcare
again—Democrats lost the Senate and the House in 1994, and losing the
house was for the first time in 40 years. Then-First Lady Hilary Clinton
ended up being the White House ally and inside player who worked with
Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch to create the SCHIP program in Clinton's
second term, which expanded health coverage to millions of lower-income
children. She has other accomplishments but this one made a huge
difference, and came at a time when politically the Administration was
cutting deals with Newt Gingrich on the budget and not necessarily all
that enthusiastic about revisiting health care.

This obviously isn't her only accomplishment but it is meaningful
because she took a political battering after the failure in 1994 but
came back to fight again, and was able to work on a bipartisan basis
during a very polarized time to get this done. Seems relevant!

***

‘Clinton is one of the most accomplished people ever to run’

By Chuck Schumer, U.S. Senator for New York, Democratic party.

Hillary Clinton is one of the most accomplished people ever to run
for the Presidency. I’m lucky enough to have seen those accomplishments
up close from her time as Senator from New York and as Secretary of
State. Hillary Clinton was instrumental in helping secure $21 billion in
federal aid to help New York rebuild after 9/11. She fought tooth and
nail to protect the first responders who rushed into danger when the
towers collapsed and was pivotal in the passage of legislation that
helped those first responders who got sick get the care and treatment
they deserved. She worked night and day to protect and create jobs in
New York, whether that was at the Niagara Falls Air Force base or the
Center for Bioinformatics at the University of Buffalo. She also led the
charge on the Lilly Ledbetter Pay Equity Act, which is now the law of
the land.

As Secretary of State, Secretary Clinton was not only inspirational
figure for billions of women around the globe, she also did much to
restore the shattered credibility of the United States, which had lost
so much influence following the failed foreign policies of the previous
administration. She negotiated the cease-fire in Gaza that stopped the
Hamas from firing rocket after rocket into Israel. She helped secure the
START treaty’s ratification, and has advanced women’s rights in
countries around the globe. That’s just a snapshot of what Hillary
Clinton has accomplished over a lifetime of public service to New York
and the country. If you really want to stump a Democrat, you should ask
them which of Hillary’s accomplishments is your favorite—there are too
many to choose from

***

‘Rebuilding America’s leadership and prestige overseas after the Bush years’

Bill Richardson is a former secretary of energy and governor of New Mexico.

As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton was key in rebuilding
America’s leadership and prestige overseas after the Bush years. She
restored our alliances with the EU and key Asian allies as well as key
relationships in Africa and Latin America.

***

‘The Pediatric Research Equity Act’

By Chris Dodd, former U.S. Senator for Connecticut, Democratic party.

Having worked with her in the Senate and on the HELP Committee, the
first thing that came to mind was her authorship of the Pediatric
Research Equity Act. This law requires drug companies to study their
products in children. The Act is responsible for changing the drug
labeling of hundreds of drugs with important information about safety
and dosing of drugs for children. It has improved the health of millions
of children who take medications to treat diseases ranging from HIV to
epilepsy to asthma. Millions of kids are in better shape and alive
because of the law Senator Clinton authored.

***

‘Crippling sanctions against Iran’

By Paul Begala, political analyst for CNN and counselor to President Bill Clinton.

Easy: Iran sanctions. Sec. Clinton accomplished the nearly impossible
mission of getting China, Russia, the European Union and the civilized
world on board with crippling sanctions against Iran. This is what
brought Iran to the negotiating table.

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rob333 (zone 7b)
10 years ago
I'm sorry elmer? You consider what you've said "objective". I don't think so. Just because you refrain from whatever it is you refrain (is it only the voting portion? Because this looks like participation to me!), you think you're objective?
pkramer60
10 years ago
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Chisue: If Trump were to drop out, the RNC convention committee will nominate and vote on a replacement. Guesses so far have been Paul Ryan, John Kasich or Ted Cruz.

As for the Trumpsters, remember that these are people with low education levels, no interest in politics until now, and feel put upon by the government. They do not think of past elected officials, the RNC, the DNC, or the feds. All they hear is Trump saying he will fix it/make America great again. They have no interest in plans or policies. Very sad people but dangerous now.

For me, I am still waiting for one Trumpster to tell me that they lost their job to an illegal alien. I keep asking but only get blank looks.
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User
10 years ago
Elmer, facts, not spin.
Elmer J Fudd
10 years ago
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I'm on the sidelines (sitting in the section for those supporting neither team), watching the play on the field. My comments are reactions to what I see and hear, they're my opinions and yours can be different. I think most of the candidates' antics and comments that have happened so far have been nothing if not absurd.

CindyMac, you comment suggests you don't understand what spin is. Which of the pieces you reference do you think is coming from a nonpartisan source?
BB Galore
10 years ago
Wow, the political arena is what makes you worry about "an unprecedented public meltdown?" I'm more concerned about snipers murdering cops, terrorist attacks in America, loss of cultural identity caused by a complete failure to assimilate our immigrant population, loss of high tech jobs to H1B visa workers, and record levels of Americans using welfare programs.
browncoat
10 years ago
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CindyMac – thank you, you’re awesome. I’m so tired of people claiming she hasn’t
accomplished anything – my god, people, google it!! It’s willfully ignorant and stunningly disingenuous
to claim otherwise. And after watching
the conventions (where real, ACTUAL people that she has personally helped spoke
out so movingly), I’m beyond excited to vote for this compassionate, caring,
honest woman. Yes, I said honest –
again, google it if you don’t believe it.

30+ years of vicious, ugly lies and insinuations; millions of
taxpayer dollars spent on vindictive prosecutions resulting in absolutely nothing;
transparent witch-hunts; and absurd demands that have NEVER been placed on
anyone else in history have created an irrational fog of hatred that not even
facts and reality can penetrate. Crooked
Hillary? Really? Trump is currently under investigation (with
actual pending court cases) for fraud, racketeering, and rape! The Trump University scam, multiple
bankruptcies, refusal to pay workers and vendors, mafia ties, antitrust
violations, race baiting, misogyny, denigration of a gold star family, banning
media organizations, white supremacy ties, refusal to release tax returns, requesting
that a hostile nation literally conduct cyber espionage to attempt to sway an
election, and that’s just the tip of the Trump iceberg. Not to mention – the man lies every single
time he opens his mouth. Sometimes those
lies even contradict themselves in the same sentence. It’s horrifying. If you actually think this is a case of
both-sides-do-it, or the-lesser-of-two-evils, you haven’t been paying
attention. Turn off Fox news, and do
some research for yourself.

Last point – “political correctness” is critical to a
civilized society. “Civil” is the
backbone of civilization – which is the same thing as political
correctness. It’s politically correct to not burn crosses
on yards. It’s politically correct to
not fly a swastika flag. It’s
politically correct to not call everyone you see a derogatory term that causes them
pain. It’s politically correct to not lynch people. It’s politically correct to not denigrate
other religions or cultures. It’s
politically correct to show compassion, fairness, respect, and humanity to your
fellow citizens. Yes, we have free speech,
but that does not protect you from the consequences of that free speech. You don’t believe in political
correctness? All that means is you want
permission to be a jerk with no ramifications. You want to deliberately cause people pain by
using terms you know are historically repugnant for undeniable reasons, but you
don’t want to get shamed for it. To say
you are “anti-PC” is to willfully and deliberately ignore our shared history,
seek to destroy the bonds of brotherhood and unity, and subvert the very fabric
of what it means to civilized. You
deserve to be shamed for that.
User
10 years ago
CindyMac, You can call me a blind hater if you like. That's your choice. I don't agree with your viewpoints. I've had close to a life time of Hillary. I don't like her, her policies, or what she did to my state and my country. I will not vote for her. I'm done with her. Bernie Sanders and Trump (and even Ted Cruz) were the result of dissatisfaction on both sides. I'm not a Bernie fan either. Doesn't matter, he is gone. I won't vote third party so I'm left with Trump. I'm not in agreement with him on everything. He's blunt enough that I don't think he is a liar either.
lily316
10 years ago
OMG...Fact check proved Trump lies 93% of the time. Pro life, pro choice...even partial birth abortions. Democrats are the smart party, the GOP kinda dumb. These and a gazillion more lies he's told. Google the lies. I'd be typing all night.
Texas_Gem
10 years ago
Anyone who labels a large majority of the population "kinda dumb" is pretty close minded.

Labeling the Dems as a smart party is equally ludicrous.

Both parties contain members of society of all levels of intellectual awareness.
chisue
10 years ago
Hill could learn to be a little more like Bill. He has the essential *likeable* factor.

Women can succeed by working through a man or by proving more capable than a man. She's proven capable -- which some will always interpret as 'striving' and 'unfeminine'.

We vote for likeable people.
rob333 (zone 7b)
10 years ago
elmer, you don't get to say you are only observing when you interject your thoughts into it. You added what you believed. No longer objective

;)

On another note, why bother being on the sidelines at all if it's all so beneath you?
User
10 years ago
In his own words:
User
10 years ago
Adellabedella, look into Trump's business dealings and then come back and tell us he doesn't lie. It's pretty obvious you haven't done your homework.
lily316
10 years ago
Texas ...I was quoting things Trump said.
Annegriet
10 years ago
I am not voting for Hillary or Trump as people. They are just names above the lever. I am voting for the candidate that I believe in my heart will most consider the well being of Americans with regard to social security, healthcare, voting rights, the environment, national security, and the future Supreme Court justices. I am looking to see who will best promote the overall platform that I believe is best.
lily316
10 years ago
Cindy Mac...I could kiss you. All you who think Hillary is a liar as Trump proclaims, watch this video. I've seen bits and pieces before but it's mind blowing.
User
10 years ago
November 9th can't come soon enough. I want to wakeup to the headline: Our long, national nightmare is over.
Annie Deighnaugh
10 years ago
Adellabedella, I find it interesting that you're supporting t because you're sick of h. I'd be interested to find out what you think the most important things are about being president...what capabilities, characteristics, traits are necessary for the job and what the job largely consists of and requires.

I'm especially interested in what you said here: "No one person is all powerful in this country, not even the President. There are some checks and balances....If Trump got too far out there, even he would be sent down a different path."

My interest is precisely because "the" button is at the president's hand at all times and he is required to carry the key code at all times. He consults no one but himself and he alone can launch nuclear warheads at any time at any country for whatever reason he wishes. There are no checks and balances on that one.
Annegriet
10 years ago
Annie--excellent points. Lawrence O'Donnell did a great overview of how "the button" is at the president's discretion at all times. The football and the biscuit--always with the President. I never knew how bad things were with Nixon that he was wandering around the White House inebriated with the football and the biscuit. Yikes. You are right--no checks and balances with the nuclear warheads. The whole world should be trembling.
User
10 years ago
Trump's lie du jour:

"I'll never forget the scene this morning," Trump told a crowd Wednesday
in Daytona, Florida, just after describing his opponent, Hillary Clinton,
as a liar. "Iran — I don't think you've heard this anywhere but here —
Iran provided all of that footage, the tape of taking that money off
that airplane, right? $400 million in cash."

He continued, "Now here's the amazing thing. Over there, where that
plane landed, top secret, they don't have a lot of paparazzi. You know,
the paparazzi doesn't do so well over there, right? And they have a
perfect tape done by obviously a government camera, and the tape is of
the people taking the money off the plane, right? That means that in
order to embarrass us further, Iran sent us the tapes, right? It's a
military tape. It's a tape that was a perfect angle, nice and steady.
Nobody getting nervous because they're going to be shot because they're
shooting a picture of money pouring off a plane."
User
10 years ago
My interest is precisely because "the" button is at the president's hand at all times and he is required to carry the key code at all times. He consults no one but himself and he alone can launch nuclear warheads at any time at any country for whatever reason he wishes. There are no checks and balances on that one.^^^^^^^^^

That's what makes it so scary. Trump won't be able to issue fiats on Muslims and Mexicans, but he could launch a nuke whenever he wants.
Rudebekia
10 years ago
To throw just a bit of levity in this discussion (why does it always seem to be the same people who get overly contentious in these threads?): I was at a crowded coffee shop this morning minding my business and sitting close to a table of retirees who were bemoaning the fact that they couldn't vote for either candidate yet wanted to see a woman president. "Then who?" asked one. "MARTHA STEWART!!" an elderly gent suddenly burst out--and the entire coffee shop burst out laughing.

So today I can't get the image of President Martha Stewart out of my mind. After this wild election year anything can happen. . .
fraker
10 years ago
...back to the topic. Trump is NOT dropping out of the campaign. It seems several of the posters on this thread have fallen prey to the wishful thinking and deceitful misdirection of the liberal, left-leaning media who are furiously throwing muck at the wall hoping something will stick.
User
10 years ago
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Oh, you mean like the "Iran ransom" story by the WSJ?
Annegriet
10 years ago
I would totally vote for Martha. She did her stretch in the joint without whining. I think of her fondly every time I see a poncho.
sleeperblues
Original Author
10 years ago
Oh, BB, you're just mad at me about the vaccine thread. I, and plenty of other people, are worried about the political arena. My little brain can only worry about so many things at once.
Suzieque
10 years ago
I'm curious about the number of posters on this thread that are new to the kitchen table. Interesting way to introduce yourselves! Everyone is welcome here, but typically people would introduce themselves gently and in a friendly manner before jumping into a fray and pointing fingers. Just a side observation… No way am I getting into this political discussion. This is getting too close to the rudeness and mud slinging in "hot topics" forum.
rob333 (zone 7b)
10 years ago
Actually, hot topics is calmer!
Texas_Gem
10 years ago
Suzieque- we seem to have drawn the HT crowd unfortunately.
User
10 years ago
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I came here last week after one of you posted on HT about Social Security's new log-in criteria. A similar thread here was linked on HT.

I recognize a few people from HT, Home Decorating, and Cooking. Is this supposed to be an exclusive club?
Alisande
10 years ago
Annie Deighnaugh
10 years ago
Along the lines of the unprecedented meltdown, there's this.
User
10 years ago
I recognize all the names here except for one or two, but I post regularly on a few of the home forums and occasionally on the garden forums. I've gotten around in my five years on GW but have never had anyone tell me I had to introduce myself first. I see no one who primarily posts in HT.
Texas_Gem
10 years ago
Cindy- this is by no means an exclusive club!!

The KT is kind of like your grandparents or close friends family table. Everyone discusses general life happenings, shares stories, asks for advice, perhaps makes a comment or two regarding current politics but it is almost always with an understood undercurrent of "no fighting here, just chatting"

HT seems to be the place you go if you WANT to have a lively debate and argue your viewpoint to others.

I can't speak for others but my comment about drawing the HT crowd was simply that others who don't normally post on this casual board seem to have shown up just to have political debates with the opposing side.

I actively avoid HT precisely BECAUSE I have no interest in being drawn into those types of debates/discussions. Each side shouting over the other about who is right and who is wrong, etc.

I could be wrong but I suspect that many who frequent the KT but not HT are similarly disinterested or they would have already gone to HT. (Note, there are several posters who frequent both boards but they don't generally bring the debating from HT over to the KT)

It is no different than me bringing up the current political climate in mixed company.

We might all briefly touch on our feelings/beliefs but then we move on.

No one goes to a family gathering or their friends house expecting to have a highly charged political debate. I would even go so far as to say that most would politely decline an invitation to the aforementioned friends house if they knew it would devolve into a political discussion.

People who frequent Hot Topics go there KNOWING it will be a politically charged environment, regulars coming to the Kitchen Table know it might be brought up in passing but no one goes to the Kitchen Table for a nice cup of coffee and a lively debate with the opposing party.
Suzieque
10 years ago
I'm pretty sure that I clearly made the point that everyone is welcome.....
sleeperblues
Original Author
10 years ago
I also welcome the "new" faces. No need to introduce yourselves, many names have been posting on these forums for years.
rob333 (zone 7b)
10 years ago
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I like what it says on the GardenParty page, and I think it applies to all the pages on GardenWeb, with the exception of Hot Topics. Unless (of course, like me, you know this Cindy), you talk about cornbread or garlic on the cooking forum! Even those are heated debates ;)

______________________________________

The
Garden Party is a place for gardeners to kick back and discuss
non-gardening topics. As at any party, please avoid topics like politics
and religion where opinions vary widely and feelings can be strong.
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10 years ago
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Rob, I see that garlic thread has been resurrected. I think there's an ethnic reason one person is such a big proponent of Chinese grown.
rob333 (zone 7b)
10 years ago
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There are many, if I'm not mistaken! The garlic thread that came to my mind was the one I innocently started. I was trying to figure out if I could get by with powered garlic in a recipe and Lou/Hawk said yes, but there was a line drawn in the sand with Linda and Ann on one side (only fresh!) and him (powdered) on the other. Knock down, drag out fight. HA! I really meant no harm. By then, I'd already learned that cornbread should never/always have sugar and never talk about it. Who knew garlic was so touchy?
blfenton
10 years ago
I disagree that those who don't go to HT are disinterested in politics (I apologize if that isn't what you intended). Those who don't go to HT are disinterested in the histrionic soap opera that often plays out over there.
mare_wbpa
10 years ago
This is a quote from CindiMac's post "He continued, "Now here's the amazing thing. Over there, where that
plane landed, top secret, they don't have a lot of paparazzi. You know,
the paparazzi doesn't do so well over there, right?"

If Trump gets elected, the media won't be doing so well here either.
Annie Deighnaugh
10 years ago
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Didn't want to let this one go without notice:

...her and Bill have been connected to too many deaths...
sushipup1
10 years ago
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I see that garlic thread has been resurrected. I think there's an
ethnic reason one person is such a big proponent of Chinese grown.

Does that mean that you think that one person may be of Chinese heritage and therefore prefers Chinese grown garlic?
Texas_Gem
10 years ago
Yes blfenton, that was what I meant.
User
10 years ago
Mare, don't worry. If, God forbid, Trump gets elected he'll quickly be impeached.
Jane
10 years ago
"Conduct Unbecoming" is grounds for impeachment. (Per wikipedia anyway)
Annie Deighnaugh
10 years ago
Here we have Congress refusing to do the job they were sworn to do (like hold hearings for a supreme court justice), with lower approval ratings than ebola or some such things, and yet it seems like we have a whole lot of people who are willing to put t in office, knowing how unpredictable and dangerous he is, but are willing to rely on Congress to be the check and balance to keep him in line! Maybe t supporters are high rollers...'cause that sure is one bet I'd never, ever want to take.
sephia_wa
10 years ago
mare_wbpa
10 years ago
Heard this on CNN this AM. I'm don't remember the exact words, so I won't put it in quotes. It went something like this. His campaign handlers don't want him to have the password to his twitter account, and we're supposed to let him have the nuclear codes if he's elected. I loved that one.
jeaninwa
10 years ago
Personally, I dread the day AFTER the election, when all those who's candidate didn't get elected are outraged.

Are we seeing an unprecedented public meltdown?

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