Thank you Malcolm for your trained eye and expertise. It has been called as the Maggie by some of my peers here in the island, I would have thought it is. The second one could well be a sport of the first, seeing that it does have similiar colouration and strong, fruity fragrance.

Some of my observations of the rose:

It doesn't have much thorns, the stems are quite smooth, similar to my Souvenir De La Malmaison shrub rose. It shares characteristics of SDLM with its lack of thorns.

Its leaves has a glossy feel to it, light green colour.

When well established, it has multiple buds on the single cane and does repeat flower, however will take some time for it to do so. Although I cannot say if its once flowering as the season here is summer all year round.

Would be nice to know the classification, however, I'd say your guess is good. With the region closer to China than Europe, it probably could be a China or Bourbon.

They are both beautiful. I'm no help on ID, but wanted to say how wonderful I think it is that you are growing your grandmothers roses. Although I enjoyed my grandmothers roses very much as a child, I didn't realize until both she and the roses were long gone, how much cuttings would have meant to me. It wasn't until I started growing roses myself that I thought of this. I have found myself remembering things about her and her roses as I tend to mine. You are so fortunate to have them!!!! Lisa

Thank you Lisa! My grandmother isn't so active as she was before growing up 20 years ago, where she would have beautiful gardens. I think I should keep the roses going, more so now that she is diagnosed with a potentially life-threatening illness earlier in the year. It's one of the conversations that I have with her right now on roses, brings her so much joy talking about them.

May I ask what roses did your grandmother grew? Were you able to source it now to keep the memories vivid and alive?

They are beautiful roses and made so much more special by their heritage and the ones who love them.

How fortunate you are, to have roses that are part of your family, and your local history! (And beautiful, on top of it.)

Hasrul, sadly I do not know what it was. Your post really got me thinking of her, and brought me much emotion. So much in fact that after shedding some tears, I began a new post encouraging people to take cuttings of special family rose bushes. You are very fortunate to have them. You are even more fortunate to still have her with you. How wonderful that she knows you have and cherish these two roses because of her. Enjoy your time with her. I'm so glad that you are able to talk with her about your childhood and her roses. Those roses will be all the more precious when you can no longer do so. Lisa

Lisa, thank you for sharing your beautiful story at your other post. All I can say is that, I do hope that you will found Grandma's pink garage coverers one day, I am rooting on you that you will.

Your story makes me appreciate the time that I now have with her, although at times she seems to forget what year she is in, and that she would ask me questions about the past, and it seems that her state of mind is in another era. It is at times requires me to have a deal of patience and perseverance.

The rose is lovely, I do wish I can share with you how blissful the fragrance is, I keep smelling it if I pass its blooms.

Your rose is beautiful- as is its connection with your grandmother- and I agree that it does look like photos I've seen of "Maggie", which is probably Geschwind's 'Madame Eugene Marlitt'. I have a baby plant of "Maggie", but she is too young for any useful comparisons.

The Geschwind connection is intriguing, since his rose 'Gruss an Teplitz' is apparently so widely grown (and used for rose tea, etc.) in Pakistan that it is now considered a "desi gulab" (a native- or in this case, naturalized) rose.

Interesting to think of two roses bred in Austro-Hungary at the turn of the last century currently doing so well in such very different climates from where they were raised...

Virginia

Thank you so much for sharing these, Hazrul! I really love seeing roses from all around the world!

Hello Hasrul! Do you still have your grandmother's roses? I am originally also from Malaysia but now live in the US. I just bought a small plant of "Maggie" and am curious to know if it is similar to yours.

I bought Maggie as soon as I was told about it's history. It is also found in South East Asia and many places. Stephen Scanniello, curator of Peggy Rockefeller garden told me to get Maggie since it grows all over Singapore. It is a found rose of many places .
It is weird how all this roses are no longer seen on streets and places anymore as they used to be since it is all so modern and high rise buildings now.
But I am so glad I got Maggie. I feel a connection with this rose Bec I am sure my mom and Dad must have smell it's fragrance and my mom also used to make the sweet drink. I like both ways of my drink whether it has milk or not .

Terimakasik

jin

Hasrul, What a beautiful rose and so wonderful you are able to keep your grandma’s roses. I am so intrigued by the rose drink. Do you know the recipe? Can you share it with us?
Jin, How do you make your drink? I wonder if it is the same way? I have rose flavoring in my cupboard right now and I am wondering if I can just use this?
I ordered Maggie from ARE but sadly she got canker since I didn’t remove wrapping before putting her outside in the shade due to a 100F heatwave that hit right after she arrived. Most canes died. She is still alive, but barely. I already have an order with ARE for another one to arrive in October. I am looking forward to her beautiful fragrance someday.

Stephanie, I am not sure of the recipe. But I remember the aroma in the house. I remember my mom used to put Padang leaves as a knot into the boiling water but I am hoping Carol from Portland rose might know it. Everytime, I look up for recipes for rose water I got it for the face or something else but not as a drink.
I but my rose syrup from store since it is the closest. No one makes them nowadays Bec it is sold everywhere back home in stores so when I was in restaurants, I just order the drink which cost lesser than Coke/ Pepsi products. They used this drinks for ceremonies and weddings too so it is very common in South East Asia.
You can get this concentrate bottle. you put about 1/4 of your glass and filled up with cold water with ice cubes or used cold milk. It is sweet but pouring 1/4 of the glass varies on individual taste as I love mine to be sweeter.

The meaning of the name is rooh = soul and afza = enhances or nourishes. As per the name, it does its job too, this drink enhances or nourishing the soul. 
Here is a pic of rosewater or rose milk. Along with it is what I buy in stores. You can find it on shelves of grocery stores on International isles if not any Indian stores or Muslim store but I get it from local stores here Publix sometimes in Walmart. Oops I thought I took the pic of the bottle on line. BRB....
jin

Amazon also sells it. Took a snap shot of the bottle. I have to message Carol to find out she has the recipe or not.

I found one but I don't think it is what my mom used so I am still searching...with this recipe they also make other sweet desserts too.

Carol, if you see this pls comment...lol
jin

You can buy this at almost any mediterranean store. Jin, I like the pandan detail. Perhaps I'll add a drop of the pandan essence.

. I should finish reading I see you already have a picture. Oh well. Just to say it's easily available.

Vap, you are right. I just Google the spelling it is pandan leaves. But the aroma of actual stuff is so amazing. It is so perfumy if there is a such word....lol.
I did not know they sold pandan essence. That is good to know .

Stephanie, I am glad you are getting another Maggie .Oct is around the corner :)

jin

Oh Jin! I wasn't correcting your spelling... I actually figured that yours was an alternate one!!! I just like the detail of adding it to the drink along with adding milk. Yes, I get the essence for rice and sweets. Sometimes it's not a natural one, but it's very good. I can also get it in a can and then I freeze it. Of course, fresh is best. Do they grow it in Fla? I bet you could keep a pot of it outside. I'm always jealous that Floridians can grow vetiver.... one of my favorite fragrances.

Vap, you should know me by now. I was looking into the words and it has nothing to do with correction. I have no clue why I put as Padang. Padang means field also maybe they used Pandan leaves in Nasi Padang ( obvious reasons) ...who knows !! BUT I am glad you wrote it correctly. That is a good thing nothing more and nothing less. It's all good.
Ya, I send you a video on fruits and stuff grown on a farm land. It's a big study going on here and maybe a trip to that place will be very educational.
I want to grow but I prefer flowers. I almost bought lemongrass and I am always fighting within myself due to space.
jin

Oh. Now you remind me of Nasi Lemak!

I know Jin! Funny the diffference one letter makes! Jin, I'm going to show that video to DH. Maybe he will want to visit there! Yes, it's a fight between edibles and flowers. I am using edibles as my underplantings again this year in the front. Well, I don't know if I consider tomatoes underplantings, but I'll add some greens when it's cooler. I grew lemongrass in a pot from store-bought. It was nice to have, but eventually it died. That would be a great plant to have around a fountain. We gave really gone off 'Maggie'! : )) Btw, I will try to get pics of mine as she has many blooms today. I love this rose and am thrilled I can experience the same rose that your family land Hasrul is growing!

lovely photographs, thank you.

What caught my attention, and what I keep coming back to, is the health of the foliage.

I lived in unpleasant heat and humidity on the US Gulf Coast, and I never saw leaves that looked that good.

Do you spray fungicides?

Ann , me too. Horrible heat, Hot, muggy and rains all the time. We have similar weather conditions. When I bought Maggie, I used to freak out over BS . But her China kicks in later or maybe she don't BS that much and now it is barely minimum. I have not Spray Maggie for 1 year now . She is over 6 ft and slightly over 3 ft wide. She is will be 2 yrs old. We been getting daily rain as you can see her foliage still has rain drops. I think she resist as she ages or very little . Right now I just check the whole rose bush and she is clean.

Vap, if you ever make that drink . You can used any rose blooms that is very fragrant not necessarily Maggie so you know .

jin

:)) I agree about the foliage. 60"+ of rain YTD. Maggie in the rain. Today.

The rose drink is called Bandung after a city in Java. And it makes me wonder if my great grandparents might have grown this rose too when they lived there... But sadly, like a lot of roses, I don’t think Maggie is available in Western Australia. To me the drink tastes like liquid musk sticks. Super sweet!

The scent of the spray Cecile Brunner rose always makes me think of my Grandma and Opa‘s old garden in Victoria. It’s a beautiful rose which I had planted at the old garden and coincidentally saw for sale at Bunnings last night, but it’s one I sadly don’t have a spot for.

Maggie...
jin

Jin, after reading the other post I took a look at my bottle of Rooh Afza and read the ingredients. It already has screwpine essence which is, of course, pandan! So the store bought concentrate is made on the recipe of your grammy! I don't really use it too much anymore, but I think I need a new bottle. I got mine to use in desserts. It's easy just to add a couple of drops to things, but as I try not to eat many of those, it's time for a new one.

Vap, thank you. So , my mom recipe was more accurate when she used Pandan leaves like 3-4 and she tie a knot and drop it in water with rose petals. One day, I will get the recipe meanwhile the bought bottle will do :)

jin

Rooh Afza tastes different from the regular rose syrup though, I think it has several other ingredients though I'm not sure

Yes. I'm sure homemade doesn't contain food colouring! : )) The ingredients in order of amount are sugar, screwpine, rose essence, citric acid, red food colouring, sodium benzoate, xantham gum and water.

Vapor, that's not too bad, preservatives and color. I was think of something else maybe! Its It's been several decades cre I've had it.