Cynthia, thank you much. Yea you are right it may be just a selling tactic or something of an opinion. One thing I don't understand in the "about the plant" section what does "our own selection of multiflora seedlings" mean'? Oh and "flowers are extremely fragrant" hmmm is Eden supposed to be fragrant? Also, in the back it says it's from the Romantica Series... ???

You have to understand the plan. We start by writing insanely optimistic things on the plants tags. Then we teach the roses to read. After they have read the plant tags, they will finally understand what it is we expect from them, and cooperate.

Until then, Eden is really a zone 6 rose. As Nippstress said, it isn't cane hardy in zone 5, and blooms on old wood. Not a good combination.

Now, I just need somebody to explain the tags I've seen saying Westerland is a rugosa.

lol yea no kidding mad-gallica. Seriously a lot of the labels are so misleading. It's very misleading to people who don't really do their research on a particular rose and just go ahead and plant with these crazy expectations. I've been a victim of that with my Joseph's Coat when the label said hardy to zone 5. Although it's putting out quite a few blooms it's nothing close to what I imagined it would be.

I live in the toronto region and Eden is hardy but "not" cane hardy up here. It won't be a tall climber for us but it is a vigorous rose. I have a few buds already and they already opened. All the blooms are from "new" canes or produced from this spring. Obviously I won't see all those multiple blooms on it like those who live in warmer regions but I am just as happy to see the few (10 on my bush so far) that does bloom.

This is different from the hardiness issue that also got me when I started growing roses. But I did show Lions Fairy Tale the tag that came with it after planting it in the front of a bed. Do you see this I said 2 to 3 feet high. Your easily 6 feet high and look very out of place. If I leave you here next year will you promise to do as your tag said. She just smiled and opened another flower.

It looks like you have a sweet rose there Patty! One of the important things I have learned from this forum is cane hardiness vs. plant hardiness.I have always wanted climbers but it is very disappointing to learn that we don't have many selection up her. But that is life!

So funny, Patty! Yes, if Eden has a fault it is that it is not extremely fragrant but I'd never want to be without it. I do wrap my Edens in Burlap and mound up mulch at the base for winter protection. If I were in zone 3 I would sure try to grow it!