Repeat flowering: Jasmina vs Laguna
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Comments (3)I have a few of the climbers on your list so I can give you a bit of feedback on them in particular. Instead of New Dawn, take a look at The Awakening. It is a sport of New Dawn that blooms better, and also has more petals than New Dawn. Pat from Roses Unlimited turned me onto it. I was looking for a New Dawn when she highly recommended The Awakening instead, and boy am I glad she did! She had both of them in stock at the time, so that didn't affect her recommendation of one over the other. As far as hardiness, The Awakening wins hands down vs. Zephirine D. Both my Z.D. and The Awakening are 5 yrs old now. The Awakening has survived every winter except one with zero winter kill/dieback each year. The only year that it had to be pruned back was due to rabbits eating it down to nubs over the winter, not due to winter kill. On the other hand, my Z.D. has died back to the ground every winter except one, this year. This winter was the first winter that some of my Z.D. canes survived, so it may end up growing taller this year than previous years. Thus far, my Z.D. has reached a max height of about 6 or 7 feet tall where The Awakening is about 14 feet tall and would be taller had it not been eaten by the rabbits two years ago. The Awakening blooms all season long and is a good repeat bloomer where my Z.D. blooms once and then may put out a few more sporadic blooms the rest of the year. Both have been disease free for me, but I do spray all my roses for BS throughout the season. Where Z.D. has The Awakening beat is scent. Z.D. smells heavenly while The Awakening has little/no scent. Another big difference is the thorns with Z.D. being completely thorn free while The Awakening is a thorny monster. Due to these differences, my Z.D. is trained to grow along the railing on my front porch where people come into contact with it a lot. My Awakening on the other hand has been trained to grow up the chimney on the side of the house where the thorns stay out of reach. If I had to chose just one it would definitely be The Awakening, but I do love them both. I also have a Dublin Bay climber (red) but it was just planted last year and I pruned it back to the ground this spring, so I can't give you much feedback on that one just yet. If you can find one, definitely check out The Awakening. Here is a shot of my Awakening a few years ago when it was only about 10 feet tall. I have since had to add another 4 foot tall wire mesh panel above the one in the picture to accomodate it's additional height. The year after this pic was taken it had covered the additional 4 foot panel reaching about 14 feet tall. The following winter was when the rabbits ate all the canes down to nubs. :...See MoreLaguna vs Rosarium Uertesen
Comments (14)Cool, Mordenman - your percentage of cane survival represents the range of hardiness of these climbers well enough to account for the variable climates where it grows, and I think it'll be helpful to newbies and others who are considering this rose. For me, if I can get at least that 40-60% of cane survival over the winter, the rose will both reliably bloom and expand nicely over a support in the summer. When I've had to prune even monster hardy climbers like Mme. Alfred Carriere or Madame Isaac Periere to the ground like last winter, I've gotten the growth back to normal levels by now but no blooms. Thanks for the complement on the photo! I like having a mix of climbers on any given fence spot when possible, because of the variable extent to which any given climber is going to have substantial surviving cane enough to bloom, or decide to sulk for a summer. One way or another, I want SOMETHING to bloom each year. One other comment to add to Michael's timely note about space requirements and climate is that climbers tend to need less "floor space" but more "elbow room" than other kinds of roses. In other words, to respond to Heather's questions about fitting them both in a given space, it depends on how much room they have to spread out on a fence. In the top photo, I have probably 10 or more climbers stretched out along 12' or so of the fence that you can see, so the bases of the climbers are pretty close to each other (some are on the other side of the fence, as the neighbors let me play on their side too). That only works because the branches of all the climbers can stretch horizontally along a large area of tall fence and overlap each other freely. You want climbers to grow horizontally as much as possible so that the blooming laterals can sprout up from the canes. If you had a 6' section of fence, you could probably put climbers at both ends of the fence and stretch them toward each other and start zigzagging the canes up as they grow. If you only had 3' of fence horizontally, even if you had plenty of ground room to work with, that would likely only support one climber at best, and it would have to have very flexible canes to wind back and forth along most of that fence to get a full bloom. In that kind of space, Laguna would work better. Hopefully that helps as you plan your climbers! As you can tell, I'm always in favor of cramming in more roses and other plants as much as possible, so take my advice with that caution in mind (smile). Cynthia...See MoreNewflora Kordes roses - let's rate them to provide feedback
Comments (185)Flowersaremusic I agree with you on above climate ect. Mine was nine years old and had not been nearly as beautiful as usual for the last 2 maybe 3 years. I decided to dig it up at the end of this year and replace it. Is was full of disease with very small flowers. while digging part of the crown broke off. I reached down and pushed on more of the crown that part broke off. No wonder the poor rose was looking poorly as the crown was in decay. I could also see that it was grafted since I plant those on a angle. In my wetter environment and needing to bury grafts that the grafted area eventually rots away and effects the crown. Could also be affected by below zero weather. I'm also considering applying more fertilizer. Sort of thinking that some continuous bloom roses could use more than what I give them. Felt so bad taking out the old rose. Happy now that it is done and a fresh new beauty will be coming....See MoreWhen in rose season does Lavender Lassie begin flowering?
Comments (16)Very helpful; many thanks. It does sound like LLassie blooms more or less at main rose season. Of the roses listed by Lily and Sheila I only have Crepuscule, but that never struck me as being late, and none of the Austins that I have -though they are different varieties-are late either. Plus I see that the bustopher (great name!) is in z6,so if it opens in May in that area, it ought to be fine in my area. Sheila, how long does Albertine's flowering last? Photos of this rose are luscious, and it's widely offered here in Italy, but I have read that it is one of those ramblers whose flowering is quite brief,which is a thing that I find disappointing( Paul's Himalayan Musk is like that in my climate). And how about Russeliana? That one's been on my wish list for a long time......See Moresummersrhythm_z6a
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