Gritty Mix: Inreasing moisture retention & Freezing potential
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What are the function of the gritty mix ingredients?
Comments (3)Grit: since it doesn't hold any water, is grit used to balance out the moisture retention of the Turface? Grit does hold water, but not as much as turface. So, yes, it balances turface (which, potentially, can hold too much water on its own). Bark:? Reasonably long lasting, holds water, might provide a very slow release source of N, and cuts weight and cost. Bark can be omitted if weight and cost aren't a factor. I recall Al recommending a 3:2 grit to turface ratio as a starting point, but you might alter it otherwise depending on circumstances....See MoreBalance Between Water Retention and Drainage for Container Mix
Comments (14)I just addressed a group of specialty growers at Matthaei Botanic Gardens in Ann Arbor, MI last Wed. One of the points I made was that you can ALMOST say that the better the aeration and drainage your soil has, the better will be the likelihood of your getting your plants to grow to their genetic potential. I emphasized the 'ALMOST', because there is a balancing act here. If you go too far toward increasing aeration and drainage, you make it less convenient for yourself, because you need to water more. This isn't to say the plants wouldn't love it - they will. It's just that you need to consider not so much balancing water retention and drainage as what you're willing to do for more robust plants. Some will say that MG and other soils are good enough, and that they are able to manage watering so they're satisfied with their results .... and that's perfectly fine. If they're happy, we're all happy, but that doesn't mean they aren't leaving something significant in the way of growth and vitality lying on the table. Some will argue that point, but scientific evidence and practical current convention illustrates otherwise. It's just plain easier, and there is a wider margin for grower error if you're growing in a highly aerated medium. I've been carrying this message for years, here at GW and other forum sites, along with many other messages associated with growing in containers. One of the results is that I'm invited to address groups far less often in other areas (like pruning, propagating, bonsai talks .....) and much more often in areas related to container growing - specifically soil science - how water behaves in soils and its effect on our success/satisfaction. IOW - more and more people who are serious about improving their growing skills are taking note of the fact that aeration and drainage are at least one of the cornerstones, if not the keystone, of our container growing endeavors, and they want to understand that relationship. Like josh mentioned - the peat-based mixes are sold because there is a market for them and a profit to be made. That they're sold doesn't make them the best choice for growing, any more than that an automobile is sold makes it the best way to traverse the country. That sounded clumsy, but the point is valid. ;-) If you're guided by how much aeration a soil has and will hold over the long term (durability), and ensure that it's considerably more than that offered by peat-based mixes, you'll be increasing the likelihood your plants will do well and increasing your margin for error by default. It's not water retention per se that is the limiting factor, it's how the water is distributed in the soil - the perched water is the culprit that is limiting. Do what you can to eliminate the perched water (there are several tricks I've written about) and you'll improve your chances for success. Al...See MorePotting Mix? Al's gritty mix or...?
Comments (28)Well, yesterday I used the gritty mix for the first time. I put a persian lilac seedling in the gritty mix (3-4-2) and a spider plant in 1-1-1. I am a bit scared as to how often to water since within a couple of hours the wick on the bottom was dry. I watered again and this morning dry again, so I watered again. Is this normal? The summer heat is not here yet and I am a bit worried about watering. Also the spider plant does not look too good, it is wilted quite a bit. I plan on putting some vincas in the 5-1-1 and see how that goes. I totally understand the benefits of the gritty mix but...are the plants going to make it if I water once a day? Also when is good time to start fertilizing the new potted plants and how much. I also plan on moving my african violet and the peace lily in the gritty (1-1-1) but they will be inside. Please someone help and build my confidence up...:( Michael...See MoreGritty Mix - why not use volcanic rock instead of gravel?
Comments (33)Sorry to jump on this thread - I thought it the best place to ask: Ive been on my own long mission to improve my plants health and I have found these forums and its members priceless (a big thank you!). In particular I have had great success with Al's 5-1-1 but wanted to give the Gritty Mix a go. Problem is I have not found the ingredients (I know this has been discussed countlessly but I wanted a bit more clarification before I spend more money for something I might not use) I have sourced: • Granite in 2-5mm • Pine bark - I need to hammer mine down to the correct size and sieve but okay • Turface - no where to be found where I live!!! So I have two alternatives for the water retaining portion of the mix from what I have read but the information is confusing me as to its appropriateness / water retention Pumice ~5mm Tuff / Red rocks 4-8mm - from my reading this is a volcanic rock and I have a attached picture of the small particles and a larger one for reference. Im leaning towards the small lava rocks but I don't know how it will affect the soil: Does it hold less water than Turface? Would that mean I need to water more often? I live in a hot country so im not sure I can commit myself more to my plants than i already do. I know its not a formula set in stone and it can be adjusted but I feel like im going into this blind. Also which plants would I plant the Gritty mix in and which for 5-1-1 as im confused about this. I have ficuses, monsterra adansonii and leaning towards getting more succulents. thank you again !!!...See Moretropicofcancer (6b SW-PA)
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