Corned beef and the spice bag
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Comments (17)Hi Everybody, First, just to be clear Saltpetre (Saltpeter in the US) is NOT Prague Powder, PP#1 is a 6.25% mixture of SODIUM NITRITE. Saltpeter is POTASSIUM NITRATE (sodium vs. potassium, nitrite vs. nitrate). Frank is correct, Potassium Nitrate is not used very much any more, that is why Prague Powder is also known as "modern cure" and "pink curing salt". So, nothing wrong with using Saltpetre. You can get it at an old style druggist. If not, you can order it overnight from most major drug stores. I ordered it from Walgreen's, they sell the Humco brand using the chemical name of Potassium Nitrate. If you ask for saltpetre, any druggist under the age of 60 will probably look at you like you are nuts. Ask them to look it up in their computer. It is NOT food grade, which means it does not get inspected by the USDA for consumption, but it is produced in a clean chemical process. Everybody uses it, though if you call Humco, they will tell you that they can't endorse it for curing meat (with a wink). The chemical reaction that occurs has been known for years; the Nitrate in Potassium Nitrate breaks down into Nitrites due to enzymes and bacteria, which in turn create nitric oxide, which is what binds to the hemoglobin molecule in the blood in meat and keep it pink. This same reaction occurs naturally in the body through breathing and the cardio vascular process. If there is a problem getting nitric oxide into the blood extremities lose their pink color and turn gray. So most modern cures that require short curing times rely on a Prague Powder #1, which uses Sodium Nitrite to skip the step of going fron Nitrate to Nitrite. You also need less chemical to get the same cure, so DO NOT SUBSTITUTE IN RECIPES WITHOUT CORRECTION!. If you were curing sausages that need months to cure, you use a different formulation that has both sodium nitrite and sodium nitrate. The nitrite goes to work fast, while the nitrate does the normal breakdown over time into nitrite and then nitric oxide (this is PP#2). Keep in mind that the added function of the nitrates/nitrites is as a preservative. So the meat can be kept longer without the bad bacteria giving it their "funk". :) That's the start of the process, along with salt, good bacteria and mold, that allows raw meat to turn into dry cured sausages like salami without refrigeration. So if you want to do this in the future, just order from any spice house or sausage supply online, compare prices, and order some Praque Powder #1 or "pink salt". The remainder above the 6.25% of Sodium Nitrite is just table salt. They die it pink so that you don't mistake it for regular salt. Since you use so little, a 4oz bag goes a long way. And if you want to experiment, you can use any leftover saltpeter to make smoke bombs, flares, and gunpowder. ;) Hope this helps a little :)...See MoreCorned Beef Seasonings
Comments (18)I'm guessing the American thing is the pre-brined with the spice packet and a soda pop, then boiled. To death, with pealed potatoes and cabbage wedges. Very salty. I have many Irish friends and corned beef and cabbage is very traditional. Though not nearly as simplified. More veggies, spinach pies, soda bread, bread puddings... Many moved to NYC in their mid twenties, still say "one, two, tree", and hosted the event for years. Many different apps and sides as varied as our Thanksgivings. I really enjoy these holidays. Try something new, some favorites are now tradition. No real right way, or what i just read, "...the right way is your way". Like ann-t, The right way is the way you like it. Or what your family likes, expects. My dry rub is just like katiec. I just wet brine 24hrs. Then dry rub 24hrs. Then a grainy mustard, yogurt, horseradish smear, wrap tight in parchment, then foil, and low and slow braise in the oven. A bit more Texas style and we were planning on smoking, but another snow storm might prevent that, grrr, (brrr). I do tuck in a quartered potato, onion, and a carrot just for a bit of gravy flavor. And this year a sliced meyer lemon. I have not shopped yet, but have tried to simplify for a do-ahead menu. Prepped and packed to go on the smoker/grill while we tap the maples with neighbor friends. Not sure that will happen if the snow totals are too much, again. Smoked salmon, cukes, Irish blue, horseradish cream. Pease pudding (lentils), braised cabbage with apple and beets, figgy duff (bread pudding...i tuck in chunks of dark chocolate). Good recipes in this link. Even has the 17day prep corned beef (!-too late for that-!). And a similar braised cabbage slaw that i will be doing as it can bake along with the brisket. I add shallots, and meyer lemons this year that i need to use up. Here is a link that might be useful: Irish Favorites...See MoreCorned beef in a bag?
Comments (7)Agreed Dcarch. I've done CB a number of ways. However, boiling and submerged in liquid is not one of them. That does not mean it is wrong for others if that is what they prefer - IMHO. Simmered with a moderate amount of liquid on the stove top or in the oven in a covered pot works well also. I stopped cooking the vegetables in the pot with the meat a long time ago. I take one cup of the cooking liquid and another cup or two of water and braise the vegetables in that. They still have the flavor of the corned beef but aren't salt laden. And I have baked it in a bag or in a foil covered pan with a small amount of liquid. When I use either of those methods do a water bath the day before to remove some of the salt. Many ways to do corned beef and have it turn out delicious!...See MoreLOOKING for: Corned beef and cabbage recipe
Comments (15)Sometimes I like to take the corned beef out of the water for the last 1/2 hour or so of cooking, put it in a baking pan & top it with a glaze made with my apricot jam and brown sugar. It sort of "firms up" the meat a bit, and the glaze gets sticky and browns a bit. Yum. I am originally from the East Coast, and wouldn't think of having "boiled dinner" without potatoes, carrots, celery, boilin' onions and cabbage. Some people even add beets, but I haven't tried that...seems like they'd dye everything pink. And I must, must, must have both horseradish sauce and whole grain mustard with "boiled dinner"....See More- 10 years ago
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