Any cold climate coast redwood success stories?
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Coast Redwood in Central Florida?
Comments (34)" I wonder how one would do in pure muck soil where taxodium grow, if inland enough where saltwater flooding isn't a problem." Not well! It would last about a week in summer before the root rots would take it out! In the rest of the southeast where they do grow, they definitely only grow on well drained soils. I have had one die from root rot. In spite of being hexaploid, they are not invincible. FWIW, there's a 'trick' about the PNW - coastal CA climate. I saw rhododendrons almost in the bottom of swales at the old Greer Gardens in Eugene, OR.* You would NEVER see them growing somewhere like that in PA, NJ, or MD. But...the time plants like rhodies and redwood are most susceptible to root rot organisms is in the summer. That's when most of those disease organisms grow best...at temps >= 15C. I see redwoods in the native environs growing in soil that appears year round damp, but guess what? It's only going to be inundated with water, during California's wet winters! Likewise with the rhodies that would experience wet (but not underwater, mind you) soil conditions at Greer...only in winter! There's just NO WAY for Eugene to have 3" of hot wet rain in late July, on a single day, as we can have! (or, now that I think about it, at Sonoma Horticultural Nursery, which is called something else these days, the same is true. Although Polo did put some rhodies on the lowest plains of his property in impromptu little raised beds. That might be necessary because he was so mild in winter, root rot organisms could still grow well during the wet season.) Now that a nursery has supposedly grafted Sequoia onto Metasequoia, maybe people in the southeast can plant them in poorly drained soils with abandon. We'll see. * - although, TBH, it wasn't much to see and not even as nice as the peak of NJ Rarefind around the time Hank died in 2009, I'm glad I got to see it in 2011 and meet the famous Mr. Greer. Greer might have had rarer, more tender cultivars in zone 8a, but Rarefind had just more plants, and better displayed, period, in their 6b garden....See MoreWhy so few coast redwoods?
Comments (19)The amount of misinformation on gardenweb boards over the years is very annoying to me. So many people talking out of their a--. It is a rare case that someone is authentically, forgivably mistaken. As pineresin is when he states no large S. semprevirens are found outside zn 8 & 9. "z8 is a tad marginal for Coast Redwoods" LMAO! In fact, there are two 90' coast redwoods in zn 7b Williamsburg, VA, and has been since around 1955 when they were planted. I personally saw that tree after 0F in 1994 and it was uninjured. Lightning, hurricanes, and inept college landscaping crews are the greatest threat to those trees now, if 1979 and 1985 could not kill them off. One was seriously damaged by Katrina. Furthermore, one of the best informed horticulturalists in the Washington, DC, area, discovered a large old CR tree in a 7a suburb of DC. He has a Pineresin level knowledge and there is absolutely no chance he was mistaken. I think he said it was around 40' but I could be mistaken. Such a tree would have survived well below 0F as recently as 1994. He tried to get Hines to micropropagate it as a hardy coast redwood but could not get them interested. (he is personal friends with higher-ups at Hines, and has introduced other plants through them) People don't seem to understand/appreciate that in the last several hundred thousand years the Earth's climate has experienced a great deal of variability and that most plants have resistance to conditions well beyond those in their current native ranges. Pictures have been posted of the test Wollemias in DC, after around 7-9F (sorry Pineresin you will have to translate) and some were almost uninjured appearing. That is probably 10F colder than the minimum in the current location where W.n. was found. I grew for many years a Fuchsia regia from the Orgon mountains of Brazil, a 9b roughly like the climate of J'burg, ZA, yet this plant tolerated 0F with ground frozen solid 6 inches deep. Such conditions would not have occurred in its native range for at least several thousand years, probably. Not all plants retained the genes that either purposefully or surreptitiously permit such survival of course....See MoreSurprising success stories!
Comments (2)Hi Kit, welcome to the FN forum! I pretty well stick close to the zone ratings when it comes to trees and shrubs. I live on a acreage and I pretty well don't have any microclimates in my garden. However, with perennials I'll always experimenting and zone pushing. What trees and shrubs have you had success with? Zone ratings should be used as a guideline not as a absolute rule ;) Sharon...See MoreCoast Redwood photos, Big Basin SP, CA
Comments (55)Robert: The narrow strip on unlogged trees along Redwood creek was left to provide access to what were then thought to be the tallest trees in the world. A big section of logged over land surrounding the "worm" was added to the park with the park expansion bill. I was one of two lobbyists for the Sierra club working to make sure our Senators and Congressmen had the right information and would support the bill. It is a shame that that land, and even more, was not included in the original park, which really did not preserve that much additional old growth redwood forest. By this time much of the Bull creek watershed has recovered somewhat--the cutting there was done close to 60 years ago. As for the incorrect measurement of the "Mother of the Forest Tree": As a percent of the total height, the amount of error is not that uncommon. The most frequent error, is what I noted in my discussion above--the top of the tree, or a point sighted as the top, was closer to the observer than a point directly above the base of the tree. So, when the angle for computing the height was read, the clinometer gave an angle steeper than the true angle would be. The problem occurs because the measurement to the base of the tree was made separately from the measurement of the angle. For these calculations, whether for the ENTS method, or the previous method, a right triangle is assumed, but unless the top sighted is directly over the base, no right triangle actually exists for the calculations, leading to distorted results. The ENTS method assumes TWO right triangles, and measures two distances and two angles, and then combines. So whether the tree leans, or whether the top is directly over the base, is not an issue. But this method, using the convenience of the laser rangefinder, is, after all, much easier and faster. The difficulty is finding a good window to the top, and judging what the true top is, especially when sightlines are difficult and the crown of the tree is broad and/or complex. When no good window can be found--if the tree is very special--it will be climbed, and a tape dropped. Now this is really difficult and takes both climbing AND measuring expertise. And one or two additional people. With the ENTS "sine top, sine base," the angle and the height are measured on the same sight line. The assumed right triangle always--and of necessity--always exists for the calculations. If an error occurs, it is usually to underestimate the height. This would happen when something other than the true top is sighted. The ENTS method will give a true height of whatever twig is sighted, whether the top or not. Note that Will Blozan, when he measured the tree, moved 600 feet away to ensure that from his angle--from far away--he could sight the true top. And, because the distance and angle are measured along the same line and from the same point, the issue of whether the top is perfectly over the base is not an issue. The base is measured the same way as the top, and the height added or subtracted, as the case may be. What may have happened with the "Mother" tree, is either someone did not have enough patience to try to find a visual "window" for sighting the true top of the tree.--so if he stood too close to the tree, allowing him to sight some twig that was more to the side of the crown towards himself rather than at the absolute top, and that twig were a relatively small distance closer to the observer than the base of the tree, whether it were the true top or not, a large overestimation of the height could occur. Or, if the true top was sighted, but that top were closer to the observer than a point directly over the base, that would lead to the same kind of error. Of course, errors could occur in measuring the distance to the trunk, even it the top were directly over the base. Of course, people using the ENTS method can make errors, but any error will not occur simply because it is built into the methodology, as has been the case with the method commonly applied previously. Want to have some fun: get some equipment and start measuring. The now discontinued Nikon 440 rangefinder is perhaps the most preferred rangefinder because it has a narrow laser beam that can pass through narrow openings without giving a false echo from surrounding clutter. Used ones usually available on e-bay, often for between $100 and $150. I also use a basic Suunto clinometer and $13 scientific calculator. If I can sight the top and the base without too much searching, I can get readings, punch in the numbers and get a tree height in maybe as little as two minutes. --Spruce...See MoreEmbothrium
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