Upright freezer and all refrigerator in garage - silly opinion wanted
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Upright Freezer- Manual or Defrost?
Comments (33)cynic, Again, I don't have a freezer, therefore my statements are just based on my understanding of how things generally work. Also, I am not saying that a manual freezer is a lousy freezer. I can understand a self-defrost may not be as efficient because it uses a heating system inside to defrost regularly and there is a fan to circulate cold air. Also, I think a manual defrost most likely will need thicker insulation because it can't even out inside temperature as well, while a self-defrost will uses thinner insulation to give you more storage, which is a good selling point. However, some of this lack of efficiency is balanced out when you manually defrost a freezer, because you need a lot of energy to melt the ice and re-cool the entire freezer again and all the food that's been out for an hour or so. thinner insulation can give you around two cubic feet more of storage. "----dcarch, I assume you're saying keep a freezer in a cold garage.------" Actually I am talking about a split system. The condensing coil is installed outside of the house. This system gives you bonus cooling in the winter and will not heat up your house in the summer. The basic mechanics of a refrigeration cycle, just like an air conditioner, it is most efficient when you don't really need it. "----I don't see freezer burn as ever being a good thing!-----" Of course not. What I was trying to say was that a self-defrost freezer uses forced cold air and that can mean faster freezer burn if you don't package your food well; however, it is a good thing because the food get frozen much quicker. The quicker the food gets frozen, the smaller the ice crystals will form inside your food (less cell membrane damage), which may mean better quality food (similar to flash freezing). One of the main advantages of a frost free unit, besides convenience is its ability to keep recommended temperature quickly and evenly throughout the inside. The thermostat typically used in a freezer is of the capillary type. This kind of thermostat will take anywhere from 10 to 20 degrees F from the set temperature to turn the compressor on and off. This deviation from 0 degree F in an unevenly cooled freezer can mean a less than ideal storage environment for food. This condition gets worst when ice is formed on the freezer walls because ice is a relatively good insulator. dcarch...See Moreupright freezer choices
Comments (6)I skipped the frost free feature too, I've never had a frost free freezer and I know the things tucked into my bottom mount freezer of my refrigerator do not keep well especially long term. The young appliance clerk at our Sears didn't know freezers came manual defrost, but that's another story... I had an old faithful 23 cubic foot Kelvinator upright, purchased about 6 months after we were married when my MIL gifted us with half a beef. It was more than 40 years old, worked flawlessly, never skipped a beat. Required defrosting about once a year, not even an especially traumatic chore. When we moved 2 years ago, I sold it with the house and bought new energy efficient Whirlpool 18' manual defrost upright. I thought the size would suit our needs now - it really doesn't. I'm still crowding things into my bottom mount refrigerators freezer, and a couple of times I've even taken advantage of some space in a side by side a friend is temporarily storing in my garage. Its more convenient to the kitchen in this house, fits into a cubby in a hallway (same floor) next to my laundry room. That does mean its being opened more frequently than old faithful was, but 6 months is almost too long to go without defrosting. That old riddle about does the light stay on in the refrigerator when the door is closed? The one is this freezer does. I know this because it thawed wild blackberries on the shelf next to the light. The service man fussed with the door alignment about 2 hours when it was brand new, he did not sound completely convinced the light switch would make solid contact with the door and turn off when closed. When he left I took the bulb out. So, it's not quite big enough, and I'd have trouble if it wasn't placed in a brightly lit hallway. I miss old faithful....See MoreUpright freezer and all refrigerator in garage - silly opinion wanted
Comments (4)You know what bothers you and what doesn't. I don't think it matters for the freezer. If it were the fridge that were the variable, I'd say go for the bigger one. For the freezer, the 3.4 cf you won't have means not keeping every single stale loaf end for bread pudding, but only a few, not keeping that flavor of ice cream that no one will eat but you don't want to waste, not putting half a sheet cake in the freezer just because everybody is on a diet and wouldn't eat whole servings but have to give it to the shelter instead. It means that before you make and freeze 20 kinds of holiday cookies, you have to clear out the freezer of the freezer burnt vegetables you forgot in the back, and use up last year's baked beans and, yes, you can serve the committee ladies the rum cake that no one under 30 years old will touch. If you were freezing meat off the hoof for the long hard Winter, you'd have a chest freezer, and as big as was required. Your garage freezer will be useful, but if you really needed another shelf of stuff, you wouldn't be bothered by the mismatch, and would stack ladders and rakes between them and put a big basket on the fridge....See MoreNeed advice: For built in tower refrigerator freezer
Comments (7)This is fantastic feedback. In response to questions/comments. I am not a big Costco shopper, but I do like to "pre-prepare" for holidays and then to use the freezer then. I was thinking a combined unit (freezer/refrigerator) would be more likely to break than separate units. But, I'm not wedded to this approach. I would like to minimize repairs and have some backup refrigerator/freezer available. Prior to the remodel, I had a 36" bottom freezer built in GE Monogram and a KitchenAid standard freezer on top modestly sized in the garage. But, I always had a deep freezer for holidays.I have four questions remaining: 1) Do you think the freezer needs to be in the main galley cooking wall or could it be across the way from the refrigerator (10ish feet)? Our current freezer is used for ice cubes, ice packs, ice cream and frozen fruit (for smoothies) and in many respects it is a pantry for us. So, I was thinking I'd place it on the opposite wall of the main cooking area and it would not be a problem. 2) I'm not following the 30" under counter approach? Could you please explain this? 3) The space would easily allow for the 30" and 24" Liebherr towers and then across the way 2 FP drawers or under counter units. Alternatively, I could get a 36" wide full fridge on the main galley side and then another 30" freezer on the other side. What would you do? 4) Re brand, we don't need a particular "label" to be happy, but we need built in fully integrated, noise matters (quiet is extremely important) and uptime (low repair rate) matters too. I would give up the gallon size holder in the door for the quiet noise and low repair rate. Thank you so much....See More- 8 years ago
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