Alternatives to red lava rock
melle_sacto is hot and dry in CA Zone 9/
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stanofh 10a Hayward,Ca S.F. bay area
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Comments (11)I've been using the same fertilizer from Sun Bulb more than 20 years. The product is called orchid plus. On the package it indicates no urea. A few years ago the AOS endorsed it. Written on the package. For what that is worth. It is difficult for me to get my arms around what is right or wrong. I do know that my plants seem healthy and strong. The question is if I change what I do will it improve the plants. That means change anything including feed. So I decided to call Sun Bulb and they sent me an email from Robert Palmer, their master grower. This is his response about urea. Dear Harvey: Tina asked me to contact you about the no urea in Orchid Plus. Using a fertilizer with Urea tends to drop the media ph very low after extended use. It will not harm your orchid if you are using a fertilizer that contains Urea, we are not making that claim at all. Many orchids are grown mounted or in the case of vandas in a basket with no mix or media whatsoever. In these cases all fertilizer runs off on the ground immediately . This does not allow for the urea to be converted to the ammonia(NH4+) or nitrate(NO3-) ions. Urea can be taken through the foliage but the plant responds better and faster using nitogen in the nitrate and ammonia forms. Roots do not take up nitrogen in the urea form. Low temps in the winter especially slow down the conversion process of nitrification by the soil microbes. I hope I have explained this properly to you. Using any fertilizer is better than using nothing even if the fertilizer contains urea. Sincerely Robert Palmer I believe that from now to the end of time this subject will continue to be debated....See MoreCovering Lava Rock with Mulch??
Comments (18)I know this is an old thread but I wanted to update what I did over time to get "rid" of the lava rock problem that we had. This last week, I finally scraped alot of the remaining rock out of the large bed and spaded topsoil, compost and some organic fertilizer into the soil. However quite a bit of the lava rock remained and I spaded that in along with the amendments. I simply could not get all the rocks out with a flat type of coal shovel. I double dug the areas adding amendments each time along with organic fertilzer, soy pellets, etc. (Not alot of fertilizer but a sprinkling to get things cooking along with the compost in there.) Of course this was heavy, sweaty work but it is finally finished off. I wish I had been able to get almost all of the lava rock out of there but too much of it had already been mixed in with soil over the years and I simply couldn't get it all out without removing ALOT of the soil along with it. But I was able to spade the vast majority of it back into the amended soil before adding a final layer of topsoil, compost, soy pellets and wood mulch. (In the end I probably added back 4 inches of amendments to make up for the removed lava rock and put another 3 inches of wood mulch on top of all of that.) So now most of the remaining lava rock has finally been worked into the soil where it can hopefully decompose more quickly and become part of the soil. I NEVER recommend lava rock or landscape fabric to anyone but if you move into a house that has them you can probably get away with leaving some to dig into the soil. I say this because after all the amendments and digging in of the remaining lava rock (which was still a fair amount of lava rock) the final "soil" drains well. (But it took ALOT of work that wouldn't have been necessary if I had never had the lava rock in the first place.) The plantings are doing very well but I'll know more this summer when the wife plants flowers into this newly amended soil with some lava rock spaded in. Time will tell. In the end though, I WILL NEVER use lava rock or weed barrier fabric on my garden ever again. These were the two biggest mistakes I have ever made in all my years of gardening. Just my personal opinion. (The reason I got rid of mine and/or incorporated the remaining lava rock into the soil was it had become unsightly over time and some parts stayed too damp and a small bit of moss was growing on some of them. This situation had to be corrected because it was really bugging me. LOL!) Finally, I was surprised to find quite a few earthworms in this old "lava rock" soil when spading in all the new stuff. That did really surprise me, I didn't expect to see earthworms in this old stuff. Now the earthworms have a good soil to live in!! (I hope!!)...See MoreRed lava rock for citrus?
Comments (1)njoasis, you've posted this twice. See my answer to your previous post on the same subject. Patty S....See MoreIs red lava rock good for plumeria?
Comments (6)Hi Pat, First of all i would like to say that im so sorry for all of your losses on all of your babies. i know it can be very frustrating, but you have a great attitude and you are willing to try again!!! That's what it's all about. We all learn from each other and then to take what we can use and apply it to our own way of gardening. I checked the pine bark and red lava rock called Rhododendron mix out. It does has fir bark in it as well and it looks great to me. You will be fine usuing this mix to start your seedlings as they will do fine. They will have great airation for the roots and i feel that when you do find other ingedients, then your seedlings will have benefited from this type of mix that you have here. Remember, its all in what we can find in an around our area. The man reason for the mix is to give the roots plenty of space (good aeration and to reduce the perched wated table. You live in California and you all have some wonderful ingerdientes out the especially at OCFS in OC. What you bought will work fine. Then if you want to search out someother type of mix...then we can help you find what you are looking for... : ) Enjoy your new babies!! Congratulations!!! Oh...Welcome to the forum!!! : ) Laura PS I can always send you a sample of the soil to you and you can see for yourself it you want to continue the search and or split the test tress in your mix verses the gritty mix. If you are interested...email me and i will be glad to send you some. I may be heading out there in April anyway, but you probably can get it sooner if i mail it now!!! Good Luck.. Laura...See Moreparker25mv
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