"What eibren may not have noticed is that effective countermeasures against MRSA, programs to decrease transmission of infections in hospitals and other means of preventing illness (including vaccination) have all come from the medical and scientific community." That's not especially true, as we can see from Ladyplumb's post, as well as my recent observations regarding the stupid way SARS was handled on the local medical level. "They're not being provided by homeopaths and other "alternative" practitioners, some of whom are even in denial that bacteria and other infectious agents cause disease. Bizarre as it seems, there are many alt med supporters who claim that Pasteur's germ theory was wrong. Some of them are AIDS denialists as well (arguing that HIV doesn't cause AIDS). As this link mentions, it's odd that some of the same people who criticize docs about hygiene (and point to Semmelweis as their hero), at the same time don't believe in the germ theory themselves." I don't personally know of any people in alt med who do not believe in "germs." However, I would not choose to totally discount anything said by anyone who had practiced any form of healing and was honest about their observations. Although their interpretations of results might be skewed, that would not necessarily invalidate their results. As for the use of an argumentum ad hominum (wrongly applied) and a smearing of the whole by an overly broad brush which you have just used, these are tactics which I believe you, yourself objected to as logical flaws in another thread. I find it interesting, though, that you choose to be on the attack in this thread over a quibble when there were several openings presented earlier, by me, for a person with greater medical skill to follow up with useful information. It leaves me wondering just what your motivation is in posting here. It begins to apear to me that at least two of the most dedicated posters in this forum have little interest in herbalism, or healing of any sort, but only in discrediting the points of others and making the discussion disagreeable at every possible turn. The result: Many of the finest posters this forum has had have been driven away in disgust. Was that result the intended one? I begin to suspect that it was. You rail against those who pop in here to push their herbal products. Is it possible that you should be also be railed against, as one paid by Big Pharma to do PR to allow them to totally take over and regulate the herbal industry? Your behavior on here is certainly suggestive of that. You totally ignore or discount the input of almost everyone else on here. Instead of expanding discussions, you contract them. You don't allow a full discussion of anything; your focus is on junking up threads with argumentive gobblydegook. You ruin the harmonious atmosphere in a thread that could lead to healing for a person who has failed to find succor from her medical practitioners. Ladyplumb's story is horrifying, yet you failed to even acknowledge it. The resentment and lack of compassion she experienced from the ER that transmitted MRSA to her is truly horrible, but matches your own. It is no wonder the medical profession is subject to so many lawsuits. It is no wonder that so many of us need another place to go to recuperate from our encounters with medical practitioners. This Forum should be such a place, but you have done your best to destroy that possibility. What I said to BB above also applies, to only a slightly lesser extent, to you. This is a systems concern, not a personal attack. I am aware that you and Brendan at times make valuable posts. However, if you are both here as paid interlopers to destroy this forum, as you begin to appear to be, you should not be here. Even if you are unpaid, could there be a professional perc awaiting you for what you do here? A "political payback" of some kind? Possibly, a good laugh with your fellow philistines, and a chance to gain further recognition in your chosen field? Is that what it takes nowadays in the medical field to get ahead--taking over more and more turf? Taking over the placebo effect, even though few of you are equipped by personality or availability to pull it off? Let's go for that last 10% of the medical dollar...let's not allow people to find a way to do that themselves.... The people in GardenWeb have a right to have a peaceful place that they can come to, where the cultivation and uses of herbal plants can be cooperatively discussed, without being constantly pulled into mechanistic modernistic medical argumentation. There are ways of presentling your points that will not be as offputting. As long as you continue to wreak havoc on this Forum, do not be surprised if resentful posts continue to be made about the state of modern medicine, because you are a constant reminder of everything that is wrong with it.

If you are thinking about the 220V 6K 1986 and can get a one you might consider it. I've had one since 2003 and it has performed flawlessly. It has many of the features of the older models, and yet is still more configurable than the 1215 which followed it. You can select a tap cold pre-wash that is heated to warm to deal with stains and then it will change the water and continue with whatever temp you have selected for the rest of the cycle, and this can be added to any cycle. It has a soak cycle that can be adjusted to last up to six hours. I've used this once. It does not have a 150F or 168F wash. It has Cold 85F, Warm 105F, Very warm 120F, Hot 140F, and HOT 190F. Some cycles like silk, woolens, and dedicates will allow cold 85F or tap cold. It has an extended option which increases the length of all parts of a cycle - good for heavily soiled whites, but I usually use the regular cycle which, with my incoming hot water of 115F, has taken 49 minutes with extra rinse for temps of 105F, 120F and 140F, and 56 minutes with extra rinse for 190F. Sometimes cold water is mixed into the fills even though the heater will then start some minutes later. At 190F you can hear the water near boiling during the tumbling pauses and the glass will get too hot to touch so I never really worry about how hot it really is. Temps over 120F will cause a cool down to occur before the wash water gets drained. If you select perm Press at 85F - no cool down will take place. Perm Press at 105F water will run in to cool down the wash water. Perm Press at 120F or above and some water will be pumped out, then cold water runs in to begin the cool down. It will also adjust the cycle length to the load size so if you have a smaller load it takes less time. Like the W4840 the door will lock at temps over 120F. It will also lock when the water level is above the bottom of the door during the rinses. The manual advises you NOT to use chlorine Bleach. I have never used and don't need it to whiten, remove stains, or sanitize anything.

I am so glad I didn't get this email from her before Austin got better. I would have had a nervous breakdown! This little guy has it alot worse than Autin. Austin is coming home tomorrow. We thought he would come home today but his back was still tender in one spot and the doctor wanted to keep an eye on it for one more day. They had to re-do his IV last night and now it's in his arm with a board taped to it so it's stiff. He can't bend his little arm and he is mad about it! I can't wait for tomorrow when he is home!

I did wonder why it took you so long to post after coming home. It's just not like you! I'm so sorry about that nasty infection, and I hope it is under control soon. I hate those things that stick with you like that. Get plenty of rest. Whatever looks like it needs to get done -- can wait till you're feeling better. I need to get better about useing sanitizer.