Wow those are beautiful NOIDS @anon-cdn!. so there is hope for T8 shoplights after all!. and here I was debating on if I should put a layer of window screening under the tubes to help dapple the light lol. but as we can see t8 does work just the way it is! thanks @anon-cdn! now I feel much better about splurging on T8 lol. I just wish T12 didn't die out they worked so well for me and everyone else on violets and u can keep those T12 shoplights lower-10 inches lol. Im doing wall shelving-where u have a shelf on the wall. above that do another shelf where u hang your shoplight from. I can do several shoplights that way and at the same time doesn't take up floor space. got the idea online lol! here is a pic of where I got the idea from, pretty good idea. this way you just take up wall space and leaves your floor space free. notice in the pic, its just a simple wooden shelf with a wall bracket. and directly above that at the proper height you do another shelf, same size and that's where u hang ur shoplight under then the chain suspends it. good idea, simple. leaves floor space totally free and same time doesn't clutter your room up with stands! not to mention this is by far the cheapest method ($3 each if that for a simple 48x12 wooden pine board cut at home depot. two bucks for shelf brackets. $20 for a t8 shoplight) where as if u use stands u got to buy a stand first (usually $40 or more...some are $119 at home depot for the edsal 48x24x74h storage shelving unit five tier) add to that shoplights. tubes. ur pushing $200. so choice is clear this is the cheapest route! :) plus I have all my floor space FREE

Pokey - you can order from US - some of the sellers provide a phytocertificate for extra $50 or so. violetbarn.com does it, violetgallery.com too. Or you can order at your own risk - they will send it to you without certificate - but it can be confiscated at the customs. Yes - the violet leaves will make it OK. Irina

Greetings Joanie and Slate - I emailed both of you requesting shipping addresses---if I don't get any more 'takers' by the end of today (08/08/06, 11 pm central time), I'll just divide them up between you (I want to get these plants off to good homes asap).

One has bloomed and I repotted into a 2.5 Oyama pot which under lights. I removed a large sucker Which I can give to Joanne from that one. The one under artificial light is much happier. I repotted the second one into a Oymara pot to see if it likes it better. Both are growing but the one with natural light is much slower and it gets strong filtered southern light. In general, bother are slow growers for me.