Thank you very much for your response horster. Unfortunately what I have is not the same thing you're looing for. What I have produce pink to purple and white flowers, (2 colors on one flower,) and have oval leaflets not leaves. My picture were pretty bad I have to admit. But anyway, spent another evening of research, since I'm not short of samples (LOL,) I believe I found it. It is lespedeza ( aka Japanese clover.) What do you guys think? I'm a complete novice in lawn care and gardening. Once I identified it it seems to be a very common known plant. I just wonder why it's not in most "common weed lists" on the internet. Also these links: http://www.missouriplants.com/Pinkalt/Lespedeza_striata_page.html http://www.turffiles.ncsu.edu/turfid/csPagedPdField.aspx?PlantID=LESST Here is a link that might be useful:

Yes, I do see the dandelion leaf in that shot now, I think. And the small dandelion plant in the last one. They very well could be multiple things there. I will look at some Erigeron species and compare them to what I have outside. Thank you very much, again!

I still think you should wait 'n' be sure... Healthy, hardy roses are hard to grow so close to the ocean and our humidity and winters. I'd want to be certain before destroying a healthy rose. No rose is a threat to the environment just by blooming --- the hips/seeds you want to avoid if it's the multiflora variety, so you have months to deal with the plant if necessary. Keep in mind that there are desirable roses which have a similar appearance and growth habit.... My 2¢.

Thanks for the further input! There are a few reasons I think I'll get rid of them. One, this isn't MEANT to be an informal spot, lol! But the bed has been neglected and gotten overgrown, and I'm trying to reclaim it. I do leave certain reseeders in for fillers, but this bed has gotten full of them and I need to remove many of them to put in other plants. Two, they aren't doing anything. Like I said, they look exactly as they did in May. I have very little sun in my garden and want to fill it with plants I want and plants that perform. If they are perennial rudbeckia they should have flowered this year, no? Three, while I will remove most of them, something tells me they'll be back and I'll have another opportunity to decide whether to keep them or not! The photo shows about one square foot of a bed that is at least 20 by 10 feet, and there are MANY of these seedlings, so some will certainly be missed, or roots will be left, etc. So I'm sure there will be some next year too! And actually, when it comes down to it, because I do have such a hard time ripping out seedlings, I'll probably end up replanting one or two in a suitable spot and see what happens.... Thank you everyone. As always, your input is much appreciated! :) Dee