Request for photos: 'Mrs. B. R. Cant'
I have a young rose that I grew from a cutting of an unidentified plant. It was suggested when I posted photos of the parent plant a year or so ago that it might be 'Mrs. B. R. Cant', but that pink Teas weren't always easy to ID. 'Marie Ducher' also looked possible...
After looking at the HMF photos and watching my young plant grow, I'm still not sure; there are lots of flower photos, but what I'd especially like to see are close-ups of leaves, sepals. prickles and buds. It would be a wondrous thing if photos of these plant details were to be posted on HMF, so if it's too much trouble to upload fotos here and there... please upload them there: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.4302&tab=36 (Just under the 'photos' tab, there's a small button that says 'upload plant photo'; it's very easy to do.)
I understand that I may not get any response, but would be very appreciative of the effort if I do.
Many thanks for whatever help you can provide,
Virginia
PS Here's a picture of a couple of buds on the parent plant; I wonder if it's definitely a Tea or maybe a Bourbon/Tea hybrid (like 'Leveson Gower'), or an old HT, or...?:
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
8 years ago
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Mrs. B.R. Cant - having second thoughts due to size...
Comments (18)Sumognat, I agree with the group. 5-1/2' would not really be big enough for any tea, sad to say. If you look on the Vintage Gardens website, you will see 3 types (sizes) of teas. Type 3 is the type you definitely don't want and can't have. In choosing roses for my postage stamp-sized garden I could not choose Type 3's. Well, that's a lie. I did receive Mme Lombard free from a friend. (Can't turn down a free rose!) She just finished her 2nd year, and mama mia! she's getting big. I'm noticing that she grows a cane and then grows a shoot off that cane that keeps going in the same direction. She's easily 8' wide in one direction. I took a look at her the other day and saw that she wouldn't be that wide if her canes stood UP instead of flopping over. I propped up the cane in question on another cane, but I knew I was kidding myself. The first little breeze will knock it over. I could tie it (and may try since it seems to have helped Louis Philippe), but I don't know if that's going to alter the nature of the rose. I gave her an 8x8 space plus a teensy bit of overlap, so I'm not in really bad trouble, but you will be. I have a tea, General Galieni, that doesn't seem to be objecting to trimming on 2 sides to keep him in a space about as deep as yours. Maman Cochet grows in a bed that is 5' wide plus overhang into the neighbor's yard and a wide path. When she reaches over the timbers, I cut her - with fear and trembling at first (would she die or become worse due to umbrella growth?) She did neither, so I keep cutting her. My MBRC is on Fortuniana, and I knew she'd get huge so I put her in a spot where she could reach out 8' in all directions from center which she does in an odd way so far. Many of my beds are 6' wide. Along my front sidewalk I planted Clotilde Soupert, a polyantha that I love. Between spring pruning and deadheading she doesn't get any bigger than about 5x4-1/2. I love her but if you have thrips 11 months of the year, I can't recommend her - or any other light-colored rose. (BTW, even Louis P was not immune to thrips last year.) Louis would not be a candidate for that spot by the driveway either. I think I would be inclined to go with a rose like Quietness, an upright shrub rose, basically a grandiflora, I think. It won't mind trimming, i.e. deadheading, and won't get as wide anyway. You could put Souv de la Malmaison there also, maybe even 3 of them. The Type 2 tea roses (Duchesse de Brabant, Alex Hill Gray, Mme Antoine Rebe, Mme Antoine Mari and others) could work with some nibbling, and you can put two of them in that bed. That way they'll have 2 sides that won't get chopped. BTW, when I trim teas, I cut back to next joint of another cane no matter how far that is unless I'm just deadheading. Then I cut to the next swollen budeye (or snap them) unless it's not far enough. On young teas (3 years & less) I only snap deadheads at the abscission point - no cutting except for scrawny growth that's going downward into the ground. Some realities just can't be avoided. Put a big tea in a corner of your backyard. The corner will give the illusion of not being as large a chunk of real estate. Now back to the drawing board and choose again. :)) Sherry Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation......See MoreMrs Dudley Cross, Mrs B R Cant, Octavus Weld and Tipsy Imperial
Comments (10)Wow, that photo of TIC is beautiful. I am most tempted to go for that one after that pic. I think I will cross out Mrs Dudley Cross for now. I've ordered a whole lot of modern(mostly austins and climbers) and old roses from 3 different nurseries and I'm trying to be good and only add one more to this list. But I'm seriously tempted to add B R Cant as well. I will post on the antique roses forum as well and count the votes for each one! Thanks everyone for your input. Sanju...See MoreLooking for climbing 'Mrs.B.R. Cant'
Comments (4)'Mrs BR Cant' can be a very vigorous grower if she's happily situated. By any chance, is the rose pictured in the link below the one that you reference in your post? If so, that's merely a well grown 'Mrs BR Cant'. Take cuttings from those towering canes, root them, and you'll have a standard, run of the mill 'Mrs BR Cant'. And a standard, run of the mill 'Mrs BR Cant' is a very good thing indeed. In my experience this Tea, in a rather strange and unique way, is VERY responsive to the ministrations of the gardener. Pamper her, feed her, give her all the water she wants and she'll reward you with exuberant growth and bloom. Has anyone else had this experience with her? Here is a link that might be useful: 'Mrs BR Cant'...See MoreMrs B R Cant - shameless climber
Comments (62)Summers, I have Mrs. BR Cant in my zone 6 pocket of my yard, and while she's one of the teas that I've been able to keep alive over 6 or 7 years, she's hardly very large. No more than 4' or so tall, which is obviously laughable in contrast to Adam's great pictures from a warmer zone, but she might do OK in a pot in our zones. My bigger concern for growing her in a pot in our cold zones is hardiness. I've found that growing roses in a pot can lower hardiness as much as a zone, and in zone 6a you can't afford that with a tea. If you're planning to move her inside a protected spot for the winter like a garage, that's another thing. However remember that teas don't necessarily go dormant like hybrid teas do in the winter, so it'll still need water and some care during the cold months. If you keep it outside as I do, I recommend some winter protection methods. You could wrap burlap or other protection around the pot as well as rose with some sort of insulating material, and it might counteract the downside of being in a more exposed pot to the winter winds. Cynthia...See More
Lai Trang
8 years agoYou can find here some photos of my friend forMrs B R Cant rose. in Vietnam it's very famous under the name Hồng cổ Sapa as it was found mostly there. Enjoy
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8 years agolast modified: 8 years agoingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
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8 years agonoseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque)
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8 years agonoseometer, I wonder if she prefers a more humid environment than you have in ABQ? She does seem to be fairly hardy in some environments. Maybe she did need more time, though- how long did you have her?
Thanks for the info about the new growth's cedar-y smell. I did go out to see if the new growth had any smell, but my nose failed to detect anything. For comparison, I tried to smell the new growth on another plant that I have previously detected a peppery scent from, and couldn't smell anything from it either. Just now, it's mid-afternoon here; sunny and hot, so I may have better luck this evening when it should be a tad cooler. (I am just a little envious of places where it really cools down at night in the summer...)
Since I was out looking, and had my camera along, here are a few photos:
First the new growth that I was "fondling", as Kim likes to say...
Here's a leaf:
And a couple of photos of prickles... the younger growth has apple-green thorns, and the older thorns are reddish brown... if you look carefully, there's also a glimpse of the fairly wide stipules in the last photo:
Thanks again,
Virginia
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8 years agoingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
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Jasminerose, California, USDA 9b/Sunset 18
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8 years agoHope these are of some help.
Those potted ones look great. It seems to like the Vietnamese climate.
It seems fitting now that I have my Vietnamese mannikins tucked in against mine.
noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque)
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8 years agolast modified: 8 years agoAdam Harbeck
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Jasminerose, California, USDA 9b/Sunset 18