Sustainable Living Dilemma
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Comments (11)Argh! Touch my sorest points with this question, why don't cha! Hi. I'm new here and very pleased to meet you all who remember each other in this forum. This year one of my most fun toys was drying fruit in the greenhouse. It was too hot for any plants to be in there (my current greenhouse consists of a bunch of sliding glass doors slung together and has one swinging door but no opening window options) so it was plenty warm for drying fruit. I was lucky enough to freebox some stainless steel racks and used those with window mesh both supporting the fruit across the grid of the rack and surrounding it. On top of that I wrapped it with thin cotton. With clothes pins and folded seams I made sure to get a good seal, because the wasps thought it should be theirs. One friend tells me that even so, I should have put all the fruit into the freezer for a while anyway to kill any gnat eggs that might have been laid. It felt good to preserve fruit without using electricity, and even that precaution didn't require any extra use of electricity because I could rotate the fruit through the ice box in the house fridge for the required period of time. If I went vegan, it would be so much easier to wean myself of the refridgerator as well. This year I have allowed myself indulgences. At Shanti Knoll I came to live where there was already a mature diverse orchard, of trees that were producing and trees that were dying as well as trees that were young. Trees in fragile little fencing rings with deer who knew how to lean into those and break them down. Trees that hadn't been watered or tended in a couple of years. A tree in six inches of soil on top of sandstone in one place. The first year, I didn't do anything in the garden. There was too much to comprehend. I learned to watch the seasons. I have grown to love apples. But that was my indulgence. I did not plant an easy and productive apple or plum. Oh no. I used the last of the open spaces within the deer fence for cherry trees. Call me a sweet tooth. Last year I also put on a metal roof on in order to not have to fuss with it again and also in order to collect a good quality water off the roof. Does anyone know about solar water pumps? Long term, I am wanting to fill the tank at the top of the hill from a pond a little ways up from the house using a solar or wind pump. The pond would help with that because then the water wouldn't necessarily have to be pumped at the same time as the rain was falling. It could go into the pond, and over flow from there if necessary, but go up to the tank when the weather or wind provided propulsion. In the meantime, my latest fantasy has a sump pump in a fifty five gallon drum under the down spout, with a float switch so it turns itself on when there is water to pump, and, importantly, off when there isn't! The flaw in this picture is that the pump is submerged in the water and thereby may degrade the quality of the water with petrochemicals. I am watching the last of this year's rain - during which we have obtained only sixty some percent of our usual snowpac. I haven't got this system in place and I am already worried about how the well will hold out. And I've got an electric well-pump. And the house is a three bedroom ranch. And I haven't built any cob structures yet. But last year I did have a three sisters patch going (corn with a few weeks' start, beans climbing them and squash providing shade at their feet), a tomato row that included all heirloom varieties, most from seeds of plants I'd grown here the year before, good beet and chard production, and a nice row of sunflowers. It was actually my best year in that garden and the orchard since I've been here. In the DDT-enriched area, I grew ornamental gourds, to collect the toxin and not be eaten, along with lots of flowers just for pretty and to encourage biotic activity in the soil. Toxins have variable half lives, and the more that's going on in the soil, the faster it will happen. That's my theory anyway. So, yes and no. I have all kinds of potential for living a sustainable lifestyle, but I am using a car to make it possible and only providing a small percentage of my own food. There is work to be done and the tools are at hand. I also made the concession someone else mentioned above - here I think? I read a lot this morning, about having a hand saw but using a circular saw for building raised beds. In the roofing project, power tools have been employed, but more shockingly, chemicals I was ashamed to buy. Sealant city. Okay, that's more than enough info on the state of permaculturalism here on Shanti Knoll. Sorry this got so long-winded. I look foreward to reading stories of current permaculture status form other folks. Happy Late Winter! Jib...See MoreAnyone doing sustainable living or visited one?
Comments (12)Hi. I've visited a number of experiments in this direction in the last 15 years in Canada. Some seemed to have little hope of making it. This past Septemeber I visited Findhorn Foundation Community in Scotland. It developed near the 300-year-old coastal village called Findhorn. It started out on trailer-park land, but they've bought the land and some surrounding land. Out of the 100 or so residents (as opposed to workshop-takers and visitors) on the FoundationÂs land, some have been there only a short while and some have been there for as much as 40-something years. Because of the houses that have been put up and are lived in, and the craft workshops, business offices, mediation center, natural-food store, playground, children bicycling around, etc, the place has the feeling of a functioning "real community. They have a system of community currency that seems to be used quite a bit. I met people some of whom had been living in the community for fifteen years or more. Of course, they view the community as a process. ItÂs not without challenges, problems, and all the other things that go with living with other people anywhere. There was a big financial crisis (I believe it was 8 or 12 years ago, somewhere in that range). Things like the "Living Machine" (community waste processing, utilizing plants and small organisms in a large greenhouse) and the wind turbine electricity represented big up-front expenses. An emphasis on paid stays and workshops is one important source of income. As my two and a half days did not coincide with any of the guided tours they offer (for a modest fee), I did a self-tour. I walked through the community, went to the visitor center, walked all around in the main gardens, went over to the Living Machine, and out to view the wind turbines prviding communityp power. I also ate in the community café, bought food at the natural food store, and visited the pottery studio, and the Trees for Life (central-Scottish reforestation project office). I talked with the people at Trees for Life on two successive days, the second time for about an hour. The large production-garden area has outdoor (raised-bed, etc) patches, beds, and rows, as well as two large greenhouses. All is very productive. They use mulches and there are huge compost piles. YouÂd need it here with the basically sand soil! This market-garden space supplies the natural food store and café, and possibly other places/people as well. It is a pretty real place  the plants generally look healthy and strong. There is a beautiful flower, shrub, and tree garden started about 40 years ago. There are lots of other trees, shrubs, and flowering plants strewn around and many people have nice food or decorative gardens in their home's yard. There seem to be a diversity of philosophies among the residents, but a general 'new-age consensus' of some sort. I don't know too much more than this. Joel...See Moresustainable urban living; newbie
Comments (6)Ha! I guess my family fits the bill, although I've never used the term urban homesteaders before. Here are some things we do in an urban environment that are along those lines: We harvest all the rainwater (when we're blessed enough to get rain, ha) in white plastic 55 gal. drums that are recycled from food uses (make sure not to get ones used for petrol products before!). Like Stargazer's comment above, don't let any harvested water set stagnant too long. Get it into a healthy pond system or use it for drip irrigation. Check your local envisonmental regulations to see if greywater is OK to use on landscaping in your area. We can use greywater (water already used in the laundry or the shower, but not in the toilet) to water the yard (but not lawn) here, and we set up a low-tech system with our washing machine--exit hose dumps used water into a 55gal. drum that sits 3' high. Drum drains from its very bottom into wide (5/8 or more) garden hose, no attachment on end, by gravity feed. End of hose goes into a thick mulch basin at the base of trees (extending to the drip line). We water all of our trees and fruit trees by doing the laundry. Note that greywater cannot sit still for more than a few hours--it should always be moving through and out of the system. We also keep 2 pair of domesticated ducks for insect control (no grasshoppers, cutworms, or cockroaches here!) and for the eggs and for the fun of it. We grow a lot of herbs and have a dozen fruit trees in various stages of growing up. We don't do much veggie growing, mostly because I love my drought-hardy perennials and because we have great access to a wonderful farmers' market where people with more land and water than us share their bounty. We're composting with worms (any trying real hard to keep the ducks from eating the little workers!) and this year I've gone nuts for making compost teas. We mulch everything heavily with used duck bedding and a pretty top layer of shredded composted wood from the city's free mulch program. We purposely live in a smallish house that is only 5 minutes from my office to avoid the time & resources drain of commuting from a bigger house out in the sprawl. Its amazing what you can do yourself. Look to see if there is a Habitat RE-Store in your neck of the woods. Its a place were contractors and others leave off their used or extra building matierials (everything from light fixtures to doors to tile to plumbing parts to lumber) as a donation to Habitat for Humanity and Habitat sells it to the public for cheap. It can really make you an obsessive owner-builder-homesteader! Good luck to you!...See Moreorganic gardening / sustainable living
Comments (5)You'll need to know the difference between 'certified organic' and what it means to be 'organic' in your estimation. Professional growers who wish to grow AND SELL foods that can legally be labeled as organic must comply with specific standards and regulation. Mississippi (your state) lags waaaay behind in Certified Organic growers, at the present time. Others, like some of those who may provide food for the farmer's market or just for their own table, decide what organic means to them. I think, that for most of us, it means focusing on fostering a healthy soil system and establishing a somewhat natural balance between the good critters and the pests. Some may be satisfied simply by avoiding the use of chemical pesticides, and I think that's fine, too. I expect that there are plenty of folks around you who subscribe to some form of 'organic' gardening. Are you growing professionally?...See Morecatspa_NoCA_Z9_Sunset14
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