" As strongly suggested by comments in orig thread numerous more windows have been added to North side of K."

*MUCH CLAPPING* Yes!!! (thank you!!)

I will leave it at that and the "experts" can help with the rest. But let me end with this. I personally find the B3 view NO less appealing than B1. It's different yes, but just as beautiful to me, personally.

SO glad you changed your mind. I don't think you will ever regret it. ;)

Windows! Happy dance. Oh, those are going to be heavenly. I think I'd cook more just for an excuse to stand there. :) That is going to be awesome.

I agree with MG's suggested tweaks. Especially the DW flip.

Nice work.

funkycamper, I did that just for you. ;)

@mama goose and all, thank you so much.

1) DW I like having a larger landing area to the left for dirty dishes; and the sink main sink moving 9" toward range is probably helpful when this is used as main prep zone. However the trade-off with proposed move is that unloading DW to put things across the aisle is not as convenient. The latter is one of the main reasons I had put DW to right so it'd be adjacent to a base cab. Also due to foreground trees, the farther Main sink is toward the West corner the better the views are. I will need to evaluate these tradeoffs.

2) Island Been reading tons about this. Suggestion of 49" width including a 1" overhang seems more proportional to space; along with a reduction in length (which all agree to, but you did not show). Temporarily I have reduced Island by 16" to 49" x 84" (still not showing any cabs)
Proportioning the 18' 1" width (from windows to pony wall by living room) ... I probably can wait until the framing on house is complete and mock things up on site before final commitment. For prelim stage combining my plan and mama goose there is 24" + 1" OH for counter; 51" of aisle (perhaps could do 54" but don't want it to be too far from Main sink); 49" Island; leaving 7' 8" from back edge of Island to pony wall - this seems like very generous, perhaps wasteful walkway. The nice thing about this proportioning is that no part of fridge is behind counter stools. This also keeps things quite open and spacious but looses quite a bit of Island storage.

I think that the 49" width might be better at say 54 - 56" to give each eating position more than the minimum of 24" per person; it also uses up some of what might be excessive walkway.

Here is the combo of orig and much of what mama goose suggested.

I like the thought you're putting into your island. I think mocking up in the space available after framing is a great way to get the size right. It can be hard to visualize on paper. I also really like to see seating at 30" per person for adults. Nobody likes to be crowded together.

I spend so little time at the DW. I've timed myself and it normally takes 3-4 minutes to unload. I timed it to try to convince my family it really doesn't take "forever!", lol. If you put your daily dishes, glassware, and cutlery right across from the DW in the 36" cabinet right across. That's about all the time you'll spend unloading. Of course, your prep items or a few other things will need to be walked elsewhere. I typically group those items on the counter and then carry them as a group to where they go. Even if I have a lot to carry elsewhere (baking items, coffee bar mugs, liquor glasses, I can still usually get it done in that 3-4 minute window (unless I'm dawdling).

And you'll be working and not really looking at views then, right?

But the most important reason why your DW should be to the left is during the prep process. If you have the DW to the right and decide to prep there instead of at the prep sink due to wanting to enjoy the views (and I sure would!), nobody can help with clean-up while you prep as you'll be standing in front of the DW. And the best thing I like to do in the kitchen because it saves time and helps prevent kitchen messes is to leave the DW door open while I'm prepping cooking. When I'm done with items, I walk them over to DW and immediately plonk them in. This keeps mess build-up from happening. I don't end up with piles of items on my counter or sink to wash later. If you have the DW to the right of the sink, you'll have to continually open/close the DW to keep up on the mess. With the DW to the left, at the end of the cabinet run, it's in a great position to be left open and help make for quicker clean-up. I would never choose to put it to the right of the sink in your layout. People design kitchens to get away from those types of layout mistakes all the time. Hope that makes sense.

I didn't reduce the length of the island, because I made it narrower. If you're making it 56" wide, then the shorter length might work better. So you've settled on 30" deep cabinets? Because the wider the seating overhang, the beefier the corbels/brackets/supports will need to be.

And if I thought that the traffic aisle was too wide, I'd put a 4' wide x 6" deep shallow pantry cab on that wall, or I'd frame between the studs and add that space to the pantry cab for 10" deep storage. I have between-the-studs cabinets in my kitchen and they hold a lot of canned goods. (Did I mention that in the other thread? If so, I apologize for repeating myself.)

I usually prep over my DW, which is between my main sink and range. I wouldn't design a new kitchen with that placement, unless I had a really good reason--but I think your view might qualify. :)

I'm very late to this party (LOL) but can you put dishwasher by other sink? Maybe dishes in those upper cabinets?

I agree...that is your best view/prep area. I'd want to have my bowls and cutting boards in that space :)

Thanks all ...
@funkycamper excellent rationale for putting DW to left of main sink in the proposed layout; makes complete sense - done deal. And LOL on timing the unload of DW thing, understand.

@mama goose @lavender Pony wall opposite Island would not be good place for me for your between the studs cabs, but will keep that in mind for other areas in the under stairs storage area. Will adjust Island dimensions a bit more as the space evolves and I mock it up with boxes at current home, and as indicated probably wait until framing is done and do it on site in the context of window openings and all else. Depending on final Island dimensions it seems that it is likely I will have 30" deep cabs, and probably one 30" paired with 24" from the opposite side at end toward the DR. @lavender Will consider DW being moved to close by prep sink, but aside from speed of unloading I think the disadvantages (as mentioned by @funkycamper) outweigh the pros.

As usual, this forum is such a marvelous resource ... thank you, thank you.

I love when I convert someone to good DW placement. LOL, it's a pet peeve of mine and I'm the self-dubbed DW Nazi. My work here is done. :)

I am so very much looking forward to your progress photos and especially your reveal photos. Your house is going to be absolutely fantastic. I might die a bit with jealousy.

I totally echo fc on looking forward to progress pics and your reveal. I'm quite sure I will be terribly envious. In a good way of course. ;)

Thanks as well as sorry @funkycamper as I am not yet converted re:DW placement. My KD appreciated the rationale for your placement, but pointed out these downsides to it: 1) while it is certainly possible that someone (cook or other) will wish to access the DW during prep this is typically not the time frame in which DW is most accessed. Especially for my own use it'd be fairly infrequent and not much of a downside. More important: 2) If DW is to left of my Main sink and at the corner wall when the door is open it seems like it'd actually be quite hard (in contrast to being to right of sink) for both the main dishwasher person and someone else to both be putting things in DW at once.

If DW is to right of sink, while I probably would have some of my prep activity going on in front of DW, it wouldn't be hard to move toward the range to allow someone else access to DW, OR as you prefer to even leave DW open while prepping and put dirty things directly in.

I do appreciate the patterns of activity that you have pointed to, as well as the amount of time it takes to actually unload DW. I think because of the DW possibly being next to a wall, that the "argument" for it being there is weaker than the somewhat blanket "rule" of don't have it under a prep counter area.

I might still be missing something, so continue to educate me. For me another driving factor will be that the closer the sink is to that West wall the better the view is as you are not trying to look around the edge of a tree in the foreground to look to the NW. DW is 24" and pushed sink 9" farther to the East than if I do 15" cab for garbage.

I am not certain what the best pattern will be specifically in my situation as I think that there are perhaps several more criteria going on than the typical one in which you might be tempted to be the "DW cop."

Thanks all for your continued interest and support; won't be breaking ground for about a year so it will be quite a wait for all of us before a reveal, but will be relieved and happy to share.

A year??! *sigh*

When my remodel is done, my DW will be at the end of a run, next to the wall. It will probably add a minute, maybe two, to the unload time as all but the daily dishes/cutlery/glassware will be a tad farther of a walk to put away. But I don't care as the advantages will totally outweigh the disadvantages. I disagree with your KD. Strongly.

I currently have my DW between my sink and range and it is the most hated thing in my kitchen. Everybody hates it, not just me. And when I say everybody, I mean my parents (who owned this house before me), my sister and her entire family, and my entire family. Plus all our kid's spouses. That's 14 people who have all voiced hatred for the DW placement. When my niece's husband, who was a chef before he became an engineer, heard we were remodeling the kitchen actually called me up to remind me to move that damn DW. And he's only cooked in it a few times. I remember he commented that it's poor placement from both a chef's and engineer's perspective (for whatever that's worth, lol). That is the only time he's actually ever called me.

At the time, I didn't know where else to put it but the good folks here guided me to the new location.

In fact, if the DW placement was good to begin with, I would probably have just redecorated my kitchen instead of remodeling. Of course, I'm getting other good things out of the remodel (like a prep sink) but I'm pretty frugal and would have probably saved the expense of it all if the DW placement hadn't been so annoying.

If you use the sink on the window wall for prepping most often because you're facing the fabulous view (and who wouldn't?), the DW will NOT be able to be left open for immediate loading. You will need to keep the door closed most of the time and pop it open to load. If you're prepping and someone is loading/unloading or even just popping it open quickly to pop something in, it often coincides with the moment I need to get some water for my prepping.

If you had a much longer counter between sink and cooktop, it might make some sense. But you don't. It will be crowded. And note that I have 54" between sink and range so I have more space to move over when that DW door is open. You have only 39". 36" is the MINIMUM recommended by the NKBA. You really can't afford to lose work space there if you want to use it for prepping.

Of course, you will have the option of moving over to the other sink to do that but then that also adds extra unnecessary steps. And if you are prepping and have to move over for someone to do stuff with the DW, you might as well move all your prep work there because it also cuts into the available counter space unless you don't mind leaning instead of standing in front of what you're prepping.

I don't understand the view argument. If you use your DW properly, as DW manufacturer's recommend, you'll be spending little time at the sink as you should scrape, not rinse, before loading. Washing fruit and veg doesn't take long. I wish I could remember the statistics exactly but studies have shown that prep time is something like 70% of the time spent in the kitchen with the remainder divided between cooking (like when you're standing at the stove, not counting unattended oven time) and cleaning up. So the majority of your time will be in the prep area, not in front of the sink or at the DW. For that short period of time, you won't miss the view.

Ha! Can you tell I feel strongly about this? It's your kitchen. I would never do it in my kitchen. I hope you won't regret your decision.

Thank you so much for continuing to elaborate, indicate the DW position in your current K with the hated DW placement, etc. Very helpful as usual. Before I decide (and I have some time) I will do a number of cooking sessions in my imagination and note where I am, who else if anyone is there and what they are doing; and then where I move and reach for things, where I stand etc. I understand now even better your strong "arguments" for the placement and can now better determine if all, most, or only some of that applies to me. I am beginning to get that it is likely that more of it applies to me (except for the factor of where the beginning of the prep area next to main sink would be - if DW is at the end then this prep area is 9" to the East and I will evaluate in this next trip whether that makes a critical difference to enjoying the view from this prep area. Again thank you for persevering @funkycamper

No problem. :) Yes, those pretend cooking sessions really help. A gal recently did some on paper and posted the lines she drew. One color for prep/cook and another color for clean-up. It was interesting to see which plans had the most lines that cross each other. That might be an easier way for you to do it since you don't have the actual kitchen yet. Enjoy the process!

FC, As I read thru I was thinking, oh boy, do I detect a rant about to occur!

Lite1, your views are spectacular. I see why you want to prioritize them!