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Rhodolphiala X Hippeastrum Crosses?
Comments (2)Frank, They are in the same tribe called Hippeastreae along with Zephyranthes, Habranthus and Sprekelia. There hasn't been any successful crosses reported with Hippeastrum and Rhodophiala but there has been crosses with Rhodophiala and Habranthus. Just because there have been no successful crossings with Rhodophiala and Hippeastrum doesn't mean you shouldn't try! I think you'd have a better chance using a tetraploid Hippeastrum as opposed to the smaller count plants but it would be a great idea to try whatever you can! Here is just a bit of information about the Chromosomal counts in Rhodophiala, Hippeastrum and Sprekelia. Rhodophiala have a chromosome count of 2n=18 and most Hippeastrum have chromosome counts of 2n=22 (for species and some hybrids, this is called diploid) 2n=44 (hippeastrum hybrids, the big flowering plants but not limited to, this is called tetraploid) and sometimes 2n=33 (some crosses and a few species, called triploid) as well as 2n=55 (pentaploid) and 2n=66 (hexaploid). Some Hippeastrum have the unusual 2n=24 (H. iguazauanum, H. forgetti and H. morelianum) Sprekeila has a chromosome count of 2n=60 or 2n=120 and will freely cross with Hippeastrum, I'm not sure what chromosomal characters it will cross with. Sprekeila will cross with Hippeastrum and Habranthus, I have seen no accounts with trying to cross it with Rhodophiala....See MoreDionaea X Drosera experiments
Comments (4)Isn't Audrey 2 a cross between a VFT and a butterwort? Anyways, I am no Botanist, nor a Taxonomist, but I feel that classification of carnivorous plants, as genus and species, has been muddled. The experts can't agree upon how many legitimate species there are, within a given genus, and its seems that anything I've ever learned in Biology, associated with the concept of speciation (ontogeny & recapitulation)no longer strictly applies. I'm also concerned that the classification has mixed analogy (filling a similar niche) with homology (structure) and whether certain plants, displaying similar characteristics, but very different geographical locations, are truly related, or as related as what has been deemed. Personally, I think there are a lot fewer true species out there, based upon what has the ability to mate with another, producing viable offspring. But that is conjecture on my part! And I wonder what these plants were like in Gondwanaland. Personally, I think that hybridizing different sundews with VFT's may be too much of a genetic stretch, but maybe attempting this with the Aldrovanda may be more workable. Feed me Seymore!...See MoreI. Heavenly blue x Ipomoea quamoclit?
Comments (4)The story that Agrinerd refers to is in fact a fascinating one. Multifida (=sloteri) is a chance hybrid that was recreated in the lab by crossing quamoclit and coccinea, two species with different chromosome counts. Only a few seedlings resulted, intermediate in plant habit between the two parents. These were infertile in back-crossing to either parent, but did self occasionally primarily by, due to a trick of genetics, doubling its unusual chromosome number from 29 to 58. The selfings became more fertile with each generation. These were more robust than the original F1 hybrids, and exhibited a distinctly different plant habit. Back to the original question: Taxonomically, Quamoclit and coccinea are very closely related, being in the same string of subcategories of genus Ipomoea, subgenus Quamoclit, section Mina. Heavenly Blue is more distantly related in the line Ipomoea, subgenus Quamoclit, section Tricolores. I know of no ipomoea hybrids where the parents are not of the same section (e.g., Mina); they usually are of the same (finer) subcategory called a series. [The section Mina currently is not divided into series.] So, belonging to different sections, a cross between quamoclit and tricolor 'Heavenly Blue' would seem unlikely to occur....See MoreP. parritae x P. caerulea 'Constance Eliot'?
Comments (26)Here's the latest: It looks like the situation has been resolved. I've been told that the hybridizer is growing some of the seedlings, that two have bloomed and they look like P. 'Mission Dolores' (P. parritae x antioquiensis). So apparently the pollen somehow came from P. antioquiensis, which is growing in the hybridizer's garden. Interestingly, as far as I can tell the seedlings resemble P. parritae in many ways, and some features, such as the petiole glands, differ significantly from P. 'Mission Dolores'. Perhaps there is variability in the cross, or maybe these change as the plant matures. I thought it was important to figure out whether the seedlings were new P. parritae clones. In this case simply waiting for the flower to bloom could have led to the loss of many of the clones if people didn't think think another hybrid was worth the time, space and effort. Plus there would have been less reason to aggressively propagate the seedlings. It was surprising that the answer to their identity came so quickly, and of course the more information the better....See More- 11 years ago
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