We're pretty well on similar maternal lines, well really, really far back. Mine is T2a. There isn't a lot of information on T's but there is some. T divided from J. Then there are a small amount of T subgroups. They are not very common. Spend $5 and get the resport analyzed on Promethease.com it's worth it. Remember that the carrying the gene or having increased risk doesn't mean your a destined to get something, it's more about risk factor for most of them.

So one thing I found with the ancestral make up is that it is just going by what other people put as where their grandparents are from and how you dna matches theirs. Some of it does take into account your genetic info though. The Scandinavian and Iberian are likely from your Haplogroup. If you are interested in going the genealogy side of it then upload your raw data to Gedmatch.com

If you have specific questions I can try to help, I don't have it all figured out yet, but I'm working on it. I have been finding relations, most are linked through a relative in the 1700's. I do not have very many close matches at all. Luckily I have most of my lines quite far back.

littlemonkeys3 - Thanks for all the information. I have been reading all your DNA posts to educate myself. I know heresay from relatives about ancestors are not always accurate. That is one reason why I did the test. I have only received a partial report and not the full report yet. How do I find the raw data to upload to Gedmatch? Is it something they get through 23andme directly? Thanks again.

You might not have your raw data uploaded. It might not be up until next week due to the weekend if it's not up. Go to your main page on 23 & Me. There will be a left to right task bar near the top of the page with the heading Recommended for You. There should be Ancestry Composition, DNA relatives (this will be last to be uploaded), Ancestry Overview, Nethanderthal DNA, Browse Raw Data and lastly Health Overview. Once you have the raw data on 23 and me you can download the it in a Zip file to your computer. Gedmatch tells you how to do this step by step, but if you need help when you have the raw data I can "talk" you through it.

It is nice to see a fellow T2 though, we are very rare ;)

Oh and it will take a few days to figure out Gedmatch and how to find different matches. I have it mostly figured out but there are still components that I find rather technical. There are a few fun things on there like detailed eye colour and "are your parents related". This was actually a very useful tool for me because my father has a line further back that are descended from Major John Mason who was a British Army Major in the 1600's and was partly responsible for wiping out nearly an entire Tribe of Amerindians. Not exactly feel good ancestors and I thought my mother's line of Masons might have also been from that line (one brother went to Ontario the other to Nova Scotia), but I couldn't find the link and I can't find the last female Mason on my mom's side's parents. Well that tool said that my parents likely are not related which leaves me to focus on the two other Masons in Nova Scotia at the same time. It's really an amazing website, but the genealogy part is hard on the eyes. I have yet to upload any of my info. I do wish there were some sort of search feature when you click on someone who shares your genes to help figure out the process. What I normally do is send people a huge list of surnames and work from there.

Thanks for getting back to me. I finally traced my father's family (Chabot) to France around the early 1600's. I thought they came over to Canada in the late 1880's. It was a surprise that they had been in Quebec since the 1600's. This ancestor is the only one that I found a full record on. I found her parents and grandparents but just birth/death dates. She was the first one to immigrate. After 354 years the family is still in Quebec, though some, like my branch, migrated to the US. Someday I hope to meet them.
Marie MÉSANGÉ was born on April 4,
1643 in Ste-Madeleine, LaVentrouze, Mortagne, Perche, Kingdom of France.10 She died in 1692, between January 12 and April 25, 1692, in
St-Laurent, Ile d'Orleans, Montmorency, Quebec, New France. She emigrated from France. : Spouse: Mathurin CHABOT.
Mathurin CHABOT and Marie MÉSANGÉ were married on November 17, 1661 in Québec
City, Québec, New France.10 Children were:Michel CHABOT Sr., Joseph CHABOT, Pierre CHABOT Sr., Jean CHABOT Sr., Mathurin CHABOT, Marie CHABOT, François CHABOT, Anne CHABOT, Françoise CHABOT, Antoine CHABOT, Louise CHABOT, Marguerite CHABOT, Françoise CHABOT.

Maybe your mother lied. Sorry -- just couldn't resist. I'm sure its not true.

Hmm, I'm going to have to look through those links a little more closely. Is that your family line? Could just be due to popular Quebec surnames like Dion, but I have some of those in my Quebec lines, wonder if we have matches going back, especially further. Frechett is the last in my Quebec line. Likely just a coincidence but I'll have a look anyway. That would be quite the coincidence if it were. Let me know when you get your matches up on 23 and me. Does my profile here have the message feature? You could message me privately.

Wouldn't that be funny if did have the same ancestors and we met on a public forum? I traced my family line generation by generation with help from a cousin that was also doing it. I will send you a private message when I get the full report.

TIt's easy to explain the Scandanavian in your results if you're Irish. The Vikings or North Men were seafaring raiders and they established many settlements along the coast. Dublin, Waterford, Cork, Limerick and Wexford were all major Viking settlements. My DNA results state that I'm 60% Irish and 4% Scandanavian.

I'm going to sit down this weekend and cross reference our lines, I think it might just be a coincidence, my Frechett's were from Levis, Quebec area and previously from Saint-Martin-de-Ré, France. I don't think I looked into my Dion side that deeply so I'll have to dig around. You never know though. When we moved here we found out that my husband is distantly related to my Mennonite neighbor. Some communities intermarried so much that it's easy to find relations if you look back far enough. LOL

Another thing that is confusing with the way 23 & Me does the Country breakdown is that they have recent (several hundred years) and haplogroup, but they lump it all in. Every single one of my ancestors was in Canada previous to the late 1800's, many lines several hundred years before that, so the results are a little wonky really since there are no features for Canadian breakdown. Also on a Gedmatch feature it showed a small percentage of Amerindian on 2 of my Chromosomes, but 23 & Me shows none. I want my dad to get his done as it's always been speculated but could never be proven.

I'm hunting Prince Edward Island relatives, too. It's the hardest part so far!

Maybe the Indian would show up if a sibling or two tested. It's a crap shoot what you get from your parents.

Don't forget, you can get some more results at FamilyTreeDNA but it'll cost $39.

So far, I'm finding possible matches between GEDMatch and FamilyTreeDNA; enough to keep me busy.

IF my brothers had theirs done, would it be different than mine regarding ancestors? I know they have access to the Paternal line which I don't. As it says on their website, "The Paternal Line assignment comes from the Y chromosome, which is passed down from father to son. Women are not assigned a paternal haplogroup because they do not inherit a Y chromosome."

Anyone had their whole family done and come up with different results? I assume regarding health, the test would have difference results.

You would find out your male haplogroup and that's pretty well the major difference. You will have of course inherited different percentages of DNA on chromosomes for your ancestry side of things, but it will be fairly close.

Thanks for the information. I am working on them to get it done.

If you have a living uncle on your fathers side that would be of even greater benefit. It would give you not only your father's Y haplogroup, but your father's maternal haplogroup as well.

I can't send you a private message, you must have it turned off. I believe your Frechett and mine are actually linked. I used the last Frechett you have listed and his birthdate and put it into ancestry. Someone has him in a tree that links him back to my Frechett. How weird is that? If you message me I can let you know the details. Now I'm very interested to find out when the rest of your data comes in. If this is correct we're talking being linked back from the 1630's, what a odd chance of finding a connection through garden web if it's true.

Only 8.6% French and you were expecting more? Sometimes DNA traces dig up strange data assuming it is correct. You state that your ancestors had French names. What can happen is this: Having a French name does not guarantee a high percentage of French lineage. Unfortunately, only one surname, the male, carries forward for that group of people; The female surname is buried but she is half of the equation. Also, the father with a french name is not necessarily 100% French. So there is potential for a large amount of other lineages. French-English-Celt mix is common. The English carries a mix of German, Celt, French, Roman, and Scandinavia owing to different groups who invaded England in the past. At one time, France ruled England and the French King tried living in London for awhile, but he soon tired of it and preferred to rule from France. He went back to France and promptly lost control of the English. However, the French did influence the English language as it was still forming at the time. For several foods, there are 2 words for the same item: one English and the other French. For example, cow is English and beef is French.

The English Channel is not very wide, therefore one could expect there were frequent ferry crossings during times when these two countries were not at war. Also, the French have a mix of other types in their population especially at border regions and sea port areas.

As for the Neanderthal, many Europeans have a little. The surprise is that your French was only 8.6%. This does seem low considering your family verbal information. However, this is clue that you have ancestors from other branches. I suspect that the females in the family line brought in unknown components.

Jemdandy the percentage breakdown is really a very speculative tool. With 23 & Me they have French and German linked together on mine at 10.8% on speculative, but if you switch that to a conservative view, which is supposed to be 90% accuracy it I get the following

97.4% European

Northern European

6.4% British & Irish

48.5% Broadly Northern European

42.5% Broadly European

0.1% Sub-Saharan African

0.1% Broadly Sub-Saharan African

2.4% Unassigned

Editing to separate numbers so it shows more clearly. I also want to at the speculative numbers are only about 51% accuracy so that is a lot of room for error.

Marie cate- forgot to thank you for that explaination about the Vikings and Ireland. I had read about that a long time ago and had forgotten.

Jemdandy - That is what I told my sister. We must have had a lot of fooling around going on. Lol. The name carried on even if the husband wasn't the real father. I have thought for many years that it should be the mother's name that should be passed down. A lot of cultures in Africa, Asia and even Europe and Middle East use the Matronymic system. In almost every case a child's mother is absolute certain. Not so with the father.

Littlemonkeys3 - I will turn on the private message service if I can.

Imhappy&Iknowit - Thanks for the information on GEDMatch and FamilyTreeDNA. All of this will keep me busy too!

You asked about having your brothers tested. Yes you can get different results and that's normal. Just as you can inherit different genes for eye and hair color and blood type you can also inherit slightly different ethnicities.

Both of my brothers had their DNA done when I did mine and while we are primarily Irish with lesser percentages of British and Western European there was one interesting differences. One brother also had a small % from Central Asia, Finland/Northwest Russia and the Caucasus region.

Would a male cousins DNA information give a female cousin an idea about her DNA...His Mother and My Dad were brother and sister.

Ruthie - in that circumstance Your dad and his mom being brother and sister, you would get your father's Maternal DNA Haplogroup, but the Male Y haplogroup from your cousin would not be related to you since it would be your uncle's Y. You would need a male cousin whose father was your father's brother. A second cousin could work if the Males are related through the common Y.

caflowerluver:
I did not intend to imply there had been "fooling around", but was trying to explain that having A French surname does not insure a majority of French genes because the French population has a mix of groups in their lineage.

Jemdandy, I'm sure caflowerluver didn't take offense to your comment. I think most of us are aware that there are likely people in our genenalogy records that aren't truly biologically related to us, whether it was by choice or perhaps not. There's even a term for it in genealogical circles.

The lower percentage though IMO has more to do with the way 23 & Me calculates and less to do with your actual lines. Those lines posted above were heavy in French. You have to remember Quebec during the 1600-1700s was French dominated until the British decided it was time for them to take over.

I'm having a hard time understand why no one else has even a tiny fraction of African DNA on their 23 & Me. It's supposed to include haplogroup so I get why mine is there since there has been no evidence of it through genealogical records (though I know still possible). So if it's including haplogroups why doesn't everyone have some on their results? I'm not talking a lot, mine is about 0.2%.

Jemdany -No offense was taken by your comment. I apologize if you thought there was. I was just joking around. My sister and I thought such an idea of "fooling around" humorous. Who knows what went on with our ancesors. I have a friend who has been working on his family tree for over 40 years. He has found all kinds of interesting things. Some which were quite shocking.

littlemonkeys3 - What is "offiicial" term for it called? I wondered the same thing about African DNA. If it goes back as far as they say, wouldn't it show up. If it can show trace Neanderthal genes, why not other races? I think you can send me private messages now.

It's called a Non-paternal Event (NPE). It just means that there was either an affair that resulted in a child or sadly a situation of rape.

Now I'm even more confused, so if you aren't showing any African and we have a "closely" linked Haplogroup then that can't be it, even though the 23 and me blog said it is. I wonder if there is some side that I am unaware of, but it would be quite far back. I wish the test wasn't so expensive for Canadians because I would love to have both my parents done. I also still have both my grandmothers still alive. This is one of the times I wish I had lots of money. LOL

Just editing as I see I wrote parental instead of paternal.

I wish all my siblings would have it done so we could compare results, but they don't want to spend the money on it. Sadly both my parents are gone.

I am now trying to figure out the health side of the test. I had it analyzed on Promethease. But I am not sure how to read those results. I know that it doesn't mean you have a certain disease just because it shows up on your DNA but what does it mean when it says , 2.45X or some other number X listed with that gene? Is there an explanation on their site on how to understand the results. I haven't found it yet.

With Promethease start by unclicking all but "bad" repute. It's on the Right-hand side close to the top if I remember correctly. It can be overwhelming for sure. Then you can click on individual categories so let's say celiac. You may have some gene that show an increase for certain illness like heart disease and others that show a decreased risk. The way I am choosing to look at it is to see obvious bad things like mutations that lead to inability to metabolize vitamins and mineral, high increased risk across multiple genes for specific disease and illness. It's going to take a long time to get through.

As for something being a 2.45x increased risk it could mean very little. Your risk could go from being a 1 in 100 chance of getting something to a 2.45 out of 100 to get it. It really depends on what the standard risk factor is. If standard was 20 out of every 100 then you're likely to be a 49 out of 100. Look at the good for things like those odds as well, that may be just one bad for that specific illness but all the rest might show a slightly lower chance of getting the illness. I know it's a lot at first, but it will get easier.

I think it's only good to view online for 45 days so download your results to your computer before that timeframe is over.

I found a very good Youtube video from Promethease that explains how to understand the test results. I will have to watch it again and take notes. LOL

I've heard that some people redo the Promethease download every so often to take advantage of new knowledge. Do you know what kind of new knowledge they're talking about?

And be sure to extract your .zip file, not just open it.

Alisande, the benefits I could see would be if there have been any new studies done. However, I imagine if one was super interested they could also just keep up to take with the new gene studies. There is likely even a publication for such a thing.

Thanks for that link. Something I hadn't thought to do before was check the locations against the Chromosomes. Actually that is quite useful. It's actually showing a large chunk of my Scandinavian comes on Chrom 23 (your x Chrom) and I can now see what Chromosomes the African is coming on. I don't know why I didn't see this feature before.

My breakdown results for the Origins are just frustrating me trying to figure all this out. When I used the Gedmatch Eurogenes calculator I not only get the African DNA show through but also Amerindian. 23 and Me does not show any Native American DNA, though it is my understanding that is common for people even with known DNA. I do however have some unassigned which could explain that.

So now more than ever I wish my parents would get tested. I do think this is likely on my Dad's side. If I had to guess based on pictures, I'd guess it would be somewhere along the line in my paternal grandfather's mom's side. It's a giant puzzle that is for sure.

Can someone else on Gedmatch do the Eruogenes EUtest V2 K15 test and let me know if any African or Amerindian shows up that is not on you 23 & Me.

caflowerluver:

I did not take offence. I merely wanted to mention that most of us today contain a large mix of genes. As far as "fooling around", I have a few in my closet in a joking manner. I have ancestors of whom I can not find a trace of a marriage record, mention in a journal, or any other indication. This doesn't prove they were not married; It only says there are no records to be found. Some of my ancestors were "on the frontier" and official accommodations were scarce. I probably have some common law ancestors as well. Some of my 200 yr old records are not readable and others have been lost in court house disasters. A number of court house records were lost during the Civil War.

If a minister of the gospel performs a marriage ceremony, the couple is not "officially" married in the eyes of the law until the marriage papers have been filed at the court house. During pioneer days, the Minister might not get to the court house for 2 weeks to a month after the marriage. I have 2 mariage dates for my grandparents: one is the day of the wedding and the other is the filing date at the court house. if something happened to the Minister before he filed, the record could be lost.

Relationships can get messy. I have a great grand uncle who lost his first wife and 2 children. He married again and they had several children and then she died while the last child was very young. Her sister stepped in, married the man, and they had children. In the same community, another man and wife had 4 children of their own and took in 12 orphans at various times. He adopted all the orphans so they took on his surname. That's got to be a mess in the gene pool to straighten out. Another mess: My gggrand father, after his wife died, married the sister of a brother who married his daughter. Oh my!

Jemdandy, I have lots of those multiple wives in my lines too. That was often the way back then, get married quickly after the wife's death. My 3x great grandfather didn't even wait for the death of his wife. He up and shacked up with her cousin, got her pregnant, had a kid with her. Got her pregnant again, then moved to Canada with her the 2 kids and a 3rd on the way. The wife was still vary much alive. This was the 1870's.

caflowerluver I sent you a message with info in it. I haven't yet sat down to see if there are more lines that we might share, but I'll try to do that this week.

Jemdandy - Oh my indeed! My friend found stuff like that in his family tree. I think a lot of us would find all kinds of things in our own family if we could find more than just names and dates. My paternal grandfather was married 3 times, the last one being to his nurse when he was in his 70's. He had 16 children but only 13 made it to adulthood.

littleonkeys3 - I received your message. I will get back to you on it. So much to go through both ancestors and health, I am overwhelmed.

Not to worry caflowerluver, just wanted to let you know I had sent it.