Dying Oak???
Dustin S
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Comments (14)That's not SDD. Topping the trees will almost certainly seal the trees' fate. Topping is never, ever a good solution to any tree problem. I'm in Huntsville, not too far from you. Last year, we were in the throes of a desperate two year drought. To make matters worse, we had a sudden freeze (at Easter) well after trees had put out their new foliage. Most trees lost all of that foliage and had to really hit their energy bank of stored resources in order to make another round of new leaves. The only thing is, that bank account was EMPTY! No stored reserves and no water means real trouble for declining trees. The results of an empty bank account for trees means die back, epicormic growth, disease and insect infestation, etc. We are doing much better in terms of rainfall this year, but are still several inches behind for the year. And the damage caused the the drought and ill-timed freeze is not reversible. Only the strong and healthy trees will recover, over time....See MoreAnyone Noticing lots of dying Oak Trees?
Comments (23)Gang - here is my report from the historic area around Marietta Square. We have scads of dying or dead oaks. I know in my neighbor's yard there are 3 huge ones in various states of impending death. The one in the backyard which has mongo limbs that hang over my kids' play area (yikes!) DOES indeed have the tiny holes and sawdust all over the place. My other neighbor has a humongous oak that seems to be dying from some sort of rot from within. The base of the trunk has such a huge void underneath, a small child could hide in it. When you knock on the trunk, it sounds and feels like styrofoam! There is black gunk leaching out from other spots - the big branches split open to allow very weird white blobs of mushroomy things to burst forth and dangle there. Her other VERY large oak leans right over our house. So far, it is healthy, but I worry that the fungal situation could spread through the roots. By the way - thanks to all who responded to my Sick Tree posting. I think the Slime Flux diagnosis is right on. But the whole thing began with Ambrosia Beetles and was followed by fungus. I'm afraid all the trees in the neighborhood are suffering from the same problems. I also know we had a "tree guy" come out a few years back. He was one of those cool, funny, granola guys who was very relaxed, very "connected" to the trees! (A great character.....) He said some profound thing about the great old neighborhoods with the great old trees -- but just like our elderly people, the trees have a life span and it's not always as long as we expect....See MoreBigleaf Maples Dying!?
Comments (23)Any questions anyone has about Sudden Oak Death, you can direct to me. That's what I do for 40 hours a week, is look for it. SOD has not been found in the wild in Washington. It has never yet been seen on bigleaf maple in WA, or on any of our native plants, whether in the wild, in landscapes, or in nurseries. The probability of your having it on your mature trees in your yard is essentially zero. Newly planted rhodies that the nursery brought in from CA or OR is a different story, but even there the chances are very slim. There is a saying in medical diagnostics which applies here. When you hear hoofbeats, think of horses, not zebras. SOD would be even rarer than a zebra here. More like an okapi or something. I've heard of arborists telling their clients that their trees are dying of SOD but that's just plain irresponsible. Might as well say your tree has west nile virus. SOD cannot be diagnosed in the field. I've been doing this for over a year and I can't say when I've found it. Only the plant pathology lab can make a definitive diagnosis, and the lab has to be licensed by the USDA to do the work. I think you can take leaf or twig samples in a sealed plastic baggie to the Master Gardeners and they'll send it on to WSU but I'm not sure about that. In any case, SOD kills tanoaks and live oaks but that's about it. It has not been found on garry oaks. It can sicken and slowly kill rhodies. Most all other hosts simply get an icky leaf or twig blight that does not kill the plant. That includes bigleaf maples and doug firs. Frankly, for our native plants, it's just another leaf blight, and a very minor one at that. I see no cause for panic. For more info on SOD than you can shake a stick at, see the link below. Bear in mind that their focus is California, where the tanoaks and live oaks are dying. The host list is quite long, but many of those plants have only been found positive for SOD once - in a CA forest surrounded by dying oaks, for instance, or in a European nursery. For instance, the only time doug fir has come up positive is in CA xmas tree farms surrounded by dying oaks. Here, it's basically a very rare disease of nursery rhodies, kalmias, and camellias. It would be like someone here getting malaria - not exactly a likely occurrence! Every tree has a limited life span. 200 year old bigleaf maples are approaching the upper limit of their life span. All trees die and fall eventually. The symptoms described by Sarabera sound like verticillium wilt to me, for which there is no cure. You can prune out killed branches and see if the rest of the tree can shake it off. Verticillium likes soil that alternates between very wet and very dry, just like we get here! Building and paving definitely affect water movement in and under the soil, and affect how much water tree roots get and when - usually by speeding up the flow so more water goes by in winter and less in summer. Disturbed soil holds less water than undisturbed soil too so trees dry out faster. We got plenty of rain this winter and the soil was definitely filled with as much water as it can hold, and the underground aquifers too. Probably not strictly drought stress but just a combination of extreme age, stress from urbanization, and verticillium taking advantage of wet/dry cycles. And, it's normal for them to start going into fall color and leaf drop in late summer when stressed. You want an ISA certified arborist. Here is a link that might be useful: California Oak Mortality Task Force...See MoreJournal for Oct 2-8, 2005
Comments (6)I am up early this Monday morning. We had both kids and families over the weekend. By the time they leave, I am pooped and go to bed very early....as a result, wake very early. We had a wonderful time and the kids love the farm. Our son drove the four grandkids all over on the ATV for two plus hours at a time. They consider it quite an adventure! We had early Thanksgiving dinner Saturday since our son will be at home for his in-laws on the actual holiday. Our pastures have greened up considerably since our rain and I think pasture will carry the cows for a couple of more months without much hay. However, one pond went completely dry so I need to see about getting a dozer in soon to clean it out before (hopefully) we get spring rains. The trees aren't showing quite as much color as last year, but it was a glorious weekend, light jackets in the shady areas and a good breeze. I took a long walk (following the ATV) with our daughter and SIL. I am ready to varnish the desk and chair I am refinishing. I think it is going to look nice. It orginally belonged to my paternal grandmother. EP, I still can like my mother taught me. I also do garlic and dill pickles, lime pickles, and home-made catsup. My favorite thing, though, is jellies and jams. This year I did strawberry jam, peach, apricot and apple jelly. I just gave our oldest gd 4 jars of apricot and peach. She won't eat it from the stores now....just gramma's. They know how to get to us, don't they? I have a few gardening chores to complete. I have a basket of lamiums I want to plant around some hostas and hydrangeas as groundcover. I also need to pot up the seedling daylilies before they get too crowded. We got a very light shower Sat. evening, maybe 1/8 inch. I haven't watched the weather so don't know what is coming this week. BTW, EP, my dear husband was ready for some quiet and tranquility after the visit! Our house is so quiet with just the two of us, that we really notice it when the kids all come! Hope you all had a great weekend. gld...See Morewisconsitom
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