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grafting - how to know when you're in the clear

8 years ago

so i bark grafted, whip grafted, and chip grafted a dozen persimmons and a couple pears (persimmons to native rooted stock and pears to a weedy ornamental pear in the side yard) and it looks like some buds are starting to push through the parafilm.

this of course made me excited. however i assume that the scion wood can store some energy on its own and am not sure that this means the grafts were successful.

i want to be excited but not so much that im let down if they shoot then die off. FYI this is my first time trying grafting. I used electrical tape to wrap the grafts tight (both bark and whip) and wrapped the whole thing including scion wood in parafilm)

thanks!

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eciton
Original Author

8 years ago

Just a follow up. Pears I did are about 6-8" tall and actively growing. Persimmons had a big issue with some bug eating the buds just as soon as they would push...out about 1/4-1/2" then next day a brown crater where bud was.

Anyone have any idea what this is? Found about 10 of them around the new grafts. I wrapped the scion wood in sandwich bags and they are growing again. Here's hoping that the 90 degree days we are having don't burn them up.

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edweather USDA 9a, HZ 9, Sunset 28
8 years ago
I'm in the same boat as you (hopefully not the Titanic.) I grafted 3 apple rootstocks, and all 3 are breaking green, but like you say.....

I had a scion in the fridge that was showing some green too.
speedster1
8 years ago
Wait until they start leafing out. Then you are probably good. I don't think most scions can store enough energy to push out full leaves. They can make buds swell and green tips but I've never heard anyone talk about them completely leafing out.
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eciton
Original Author
8 years ago
Thanks! On another note, when do you choose which successful bark graft to keep? I did 4 grafts on each 4-5" persimmon
speedster1
8 years ago
I think you can wait a while before choosing. The advantage is that if one gets broken you still have 3 left to choose from. If you narrow down to one too soon and it gets broken then you are screwed until next year.
eciton
Original Author
8 years ago
Nobody know what this bug is?
rphcfb14
8 years ago
You should create new post with this pic. It willattract more people than hiding it inso more people could chime in a gratfing question post.
eciton
Original Author
8 years ago

Just an update on my persimmon grafts. Bark grafts done from 4/25-5/1.

I burned one up since it was bagged to keep that persimmon weevil at bay and we got a 95 deg day. :(

The grafts have grown about 2ft!
copingwithclay
8 years ago
Using a thin white grocery bag that is cut and taped to fit the growth zone will both keep out leaf eaters and decrease the Sun blast. Enough light will get through that the scion shoots can still grow. I would not tape the bottom of this 'tent snugly around the branch so that there is some free air flow. White deflects the hot light, as evidenced by laying your hand on a sunny auto hood that is white painted and then doing the same on a dark painted auto hood out in the sunlight. OUCH! Congrats on your grafting progress. It can be done.
eciton
Original Author
8 years ago
Good call. I had done a couple with target bags but changed to clear so I could check progress easier. It did make a tiny greenhouse though. Even with vents it burned up my non astringent persimmon grafts. :(

So since they are all growing with equal vigor how do I know which to keep or when to choose? I've read several conflicting opinions. From choose now to let them all grow and choose in a year to the tree will choose. :)

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