Now, put Honeymoon Cottage's flower on a repeater...
And you'll have MY attention. Kim
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roseseek
9 years agoNo, I didn't write the description on HMF. I had never seen the plant in person until Saturday. Nothing that deeply colored would have much heat tolerance, unfortunately. The plant habit/architecture will also need quite a bit of work. Kim
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
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9 years agoYou know, it probably would, Lori. I guess it gets just enough winter there to satisfy it. This is the same vacant lot where we collected my surprisingly double "Ragged Robin" (we think) that blooms pink from time to time.
There's a fuchsia there, too, and a probable 'La Marne,' and one spring (before the back half of the property was bulldozed, the whole area was a drift of pink lilies.
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9 years agoThis rose is a lot like my purple-ish version of "Old Red Runaround", except the one I have doesn't get blossoms larger than about 2" and has tighter, smaller petals. It has similar glandular sepals with appendages and glandular pedicels and only "lady parts" (no stamens). Also once-flowering and thought, according to HMF, to be a Hybrid China. What amazes me is to think about the nexus between their early 1800s popularity in Europe (per Brent Dickerson here: hybrid Chinas ) and their appearances in the most uncared-for, even un-irrigated, corners of California. It has a nice old rose scent. As the blooms age, and in some weathers, they get really nice, velvety, truly purple petals. As Kim says, if only they repeated...
Here's photos of the one I have (lives in a shady, dry, boundary area of my yard):
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9 years agoHere's a pic of the rose I grew, bought as 'Monsieur de Montigny', for which I suggested an i.d. of 'Abbe de l'Epee'. Compare it with Catspa's pic of 'Old Red Runaround' (at time of posting this, the last pic above) . . .
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9 years agoAnd a length of stem, with prickles and leaves... (Leaves at bottom are from something else.)
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9 years agoJust for reference, here are three images of "Red Runaround." One from a Sierra Foothills Cemetery (top image) and two (bloom and plant) from the Sacramento City Cemetery (bottom image).
Different light. Very different environmental conditions.
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9 years agoAnd here, for comparison, are prickles of my Old Red Runaround. Part of the same gang, but not the same. The zillion petals on Old RRA are tinier, making pompons and not the flatter blooms of either Honeymoon Cottage or your presumed "Abbe de l'Epee", Odinthor (beautiful color on that one!), even though under some conditions, including when old, those of Old RRA can be quite purple.
Note bigger prickles mixed among the bristly ones on some stems:
Another stem, no larger prickles:
Leaves and stipules:
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9 years agoWell, Fred Boutin says they're both RR -- and he's a botanist. I NEVER argue with Fred. :-)
Keep in mind, one is growing in a shaded location -- and is watered.
The other is growing in a barren cemetery, menaced by deer, and with no shade, and no water. Here is that plant:
Here is yet another plant, in another un-watered cemetery. No bloom on this one, as it was photographed on the first of November.
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9 years agoYou know what? I'd like to ask that water question of some of the Sacramento Cemetery folks. And maybe the ladies in Pine Grove. But, again, because our climate is so radically different, we might not have a good answer for you.
But the Roundup question . . . YES. I would avoid like the plague any cemetery that makes use of Roundup.
Here's what I've seen . . . As more people move up into new development in old Sierra Foothills communities, some formerly-neglected cemeteries ARE being "cleaned up" with lots of Roundup. Trying to plant new roses in that situation would likely break your heart.
So -- don't even TRY to do it, unless you are doing it in PARTNERSHIP with the owners/managers of the cemetery.
That's the situation in THIS cemetery:
THIS cemetery is maintained by a group of volunteers. They work closely and in harmony with the volunteers who are restoring roses to the place. Here is one rose that has been donated back to the cemetery by the rosarian who collected it years ago. Other plants, long-since collected, and preserved elsewhere, will also be donated back.
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9 years agoWhen I first visited my family's TX Cemetery, there was a wonderful pink China Rose, maybe 7-8 ft. tall. The oldest resident, well into his 80's, said it had been there all of his life.
With the "help" of Roundup, the last time I saw it it was about 12-inches tall. I expect that, by now, it is gone entirely. We have it growing here, and we sent plants to my cousins, in TX.
IMHO, where Roundup goes, plants die. Period.roseseek
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