Landscaping front yard, zone 5. HELP!!!! :)
midwestmelissa
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Comments (12)I made a really stupid mistake, and I'm very embarrassed to have to post my experience but could use some advice (so please excuse my poor decision). I found a handyman that offered to move the red maple tree in the front yard to the back for the bargain price of $75. The only thing is that the tree had a monsterous root system, and he had to move it with his truck and a rope around the trunk. The bark scratched, which I didn't think was a big deal...and he said he thought it would be ok...until I researched on gardenweb after he left. The tree is very scratched, circling 75-80% of the tree's circumference, so it may take years, but the tree won't make it. I called him back to tell him that the tree would eventually die/break and he felt bad and offered to plant another tree for me. Last week, after my initial posting and reading the feedback, I ended up purchasing an autumn gold ginko (it's not planted yet and is actually still at the nursery). I had every intention of getting a kousa, but I'm just not seeing any that look good in the nurseries (and I've been all over in two counties). Plus I'm finding most are no-name varieties. Plus the branching structure starts out low -- just 14" from the base, so while it's a tree, it's a low branching tree (and I guess I'd prefer a higher branching tree in the front yard). I'd like to try a kousa if I can find the right spot, just not the front yard. Sorry, I'm being particular, but I'm trying to make the right decision that dh will be happy with as well. I realize that the ginko will get 40', but it's such a beautiful tree, so I figured that perhaps I would put that in the front. In lieu of what happened, and as much as I love the ginko, I'm thinking that I should plant the ginko in the back yard where the red maple (the only tree in the backyard) had been planted. I'd also like to get a Blackgum to put in the back yard (maybe next year, or this year if I can find them on sale). One of the local nurseries has a serviceberry tree that is $259 -- a nice tree, but out of the range of what I wanted to spend (I'd love to wait for them to go on sale, but I'm not sure when that will be and if they will still be around). THIS YEAR: I really need to have a tree in the front yard (part of the agreement I made with dh when I told him I was moving the front tree). Should I plant the ginko in the front yard or will I regret it when it gets too large? OR Should I plant the ginko in the back yard and get a smaller tree for the front (as per my original plan, but I just haven't found the right tree for the front in my price range). On a good note, my dh did not say "I told you so" or anything to that effect, but I do feel like I'm in an "I Love Lucy" episode at this point....See MoreFront Yard Landscape Help! Zone 10a
Comments (5)Begin with some research on what the local municipality will allow in terms of drive extension and retaining walls. Commit your ideas for the yard to paper (to scale) indicating how and where things will be laid out. A simple sketch on some grid paper is all I'm talking about. (Online GRID "PAPER" you can print. 10 light lines/inch is good choice.) The plan is a communication device that will clarify what you are saying with words, when words can be vague and ambiguous. For example, what is "stuccoing windows"? Is that removing them and finishing the wall with stucco? By "removing the brick" are you talking about the pilasters at the drive entrance, or the edging for the driveway or both? (You might also say WHY your are doing things, too. Sometimes people act on motives that fall outside of good judgement. ...I'm just sayin' ... sometimes!) Another way to improve the advice you get here is to submit good pictures. The ones you've posted do well not convey the overall front yard, but just disjointed pieces of it. If you wanted to start over to take a better set of photos, I'd suggest returning to near where you took the first picture, but move forward so you are standing directly on the top of the curb and leftward, directly in line with the house chimney. Do not move from this spot for all pictures. Aim to the left and capture the scene with the sidewalk showing at the left side of the picture. Then pan the camera rightward, taking shots that capture the scene and overlap slightly. (Do not leave any gaps.) Continue panning rightward until you have captured the city sidewalk that is to your right. Post the individual pictures. (Don't turn them into a computer generated panorama first as that would have them be small and distorted.) Given that your garage wall is substantially smothered in, and hidden by, foliage, you might determine before taking pictures if you can cut this back or remove it so that people can see what is actually there. Likewise for the yellow flowering shrubs. The little tree that shows up in front of the door seems badly placed. If you are not married to it, I'd consider removing that at well. I said "if." You do the contemplating. What looks like a sidewalk going off to the right side of house from the drive ... Is it a sidewalk or bed edging? Who owns the c.l. fence? Also, say where you are as zone 10 can be radically different depending what part of country you're in....See MoreFront yard shrubs Zone 5
Comments (17)Thanks for adding location. I am about an hour north of you, just north of Concord, NH. IME the Plantlady’s suggestions will all grow well here but are all far too large for your space. In a short time all will be well over the window sills and pushing against the house, and planting overly large shrubs with the plan to keep them in check via pruning isn’t practical. Soon you will need to pull them out due to size. I grow most on the list., just not in a foundation bed. For instance, witch hazel/Hamamelis virginiana gets over 12’ tall and wide, red twigged dogwood gets to 8’ tall and suckers so it can get very wide, and spicebush gets to over 8’ tall and wide. Blue muffin Viburnum is a dud and everyone I know who has planted it in this area has removed it due to poor autumn color and serious damage from Viburnum beetles. Maple leafed Viburnum might be small enough but will want shade in the hottest part of the day to be happy, and can be difficult to find in nurseries, though the Native PantTrust in central MA sometimes has it. The dark leafed maple you noticed in Doug’s sketch is a Japanese maple and will also be too large for the space between the walk and the house, though you could plant one between the walk and the street. On the right side, you could swing the bed out wide to place one diagonally out from the corner of the house. Japanese maples vary quite a bit in size, with some growing slowly and not getting much larger than 6‘ tall and wide and others reaching 30+’, so do research if you want this option. You will also want to research hardiness of particular cultivars and choose one that won’t have severe dieback in particularly cold winters here in New England. I can’t grow them at all because I am in a cold pocket, but there are some in my town in better microclimates. I will strongly suggest that as a part of revamping this bed you remove the white rock and any underlying landscape fabric. Otherwise you will be struggling with weed control and with soil health in the bed. Rock mulch works well in areas that are drier than New England but doesn’t work well here because seeds blow in, sprout in our ample moisture, and are difficult to remove. They will also sprout in organic mulches like shredded bark or leaves but are far easier to remove. Landscape fabric gets tangled with weed roots and interferes with movement of water, nutrients, and air in the soil. I will want some more info to make suggestions that will work for you. How big is the bed by the walk front to back? Would you be willing to make the right bed come out farther from the house so there is additional room to plant? What direction does this side of the house face, and how much sun does it get? Is it all day sun or all day shade or morning only sun or . . . ? Do you like gardening or do other interests take up most of your time?...See MoreNeed shrub and tree ideas for front yard landscaping. Zone 6a
Comments (4)big city location would help .. as z6 is about half the US and rather divergent ... with that darn sidewalk.. [i hate buliders and architects for the lack of imagination in dealing with this] .... if you want any kind of shrubs or conifers.. or small trees... work out into the useless lawn ... with that couple feet of garden bed.. you really dont have space for anything but annuals and perennials inside the walkway .. unless you want to be out there shearing twice a year .. ergo.. you would have to kill me.. before i ever planted box in there ... and if those two shrubs are still by the garage.. get rid of them also ... really.. one of them is square.. whats that all about .. lol ... and im thinking it might be an invasive burning bush ... but that is just a gut reaction... but i just had taco bell.. so take that for what its worth .. lol... maybe my gut is lying to me ...lol .. also.. while its barren .... work that soil off the lattice under the deck ... avoid future problems ... either dirty plastic.. or rooting wood ... and be honest.. is the lawn used for anything other than complaining someone has to mow the lawn every few days ... if not.. start with some nice trees out on the lawn ... make you landscape 3 dimensional.. instead of focusing on a few feet right on the foundation ... never forget..... foundation plants are to hide the foundation.. not to BE PLANTED on the foundation.. thats the root problem with your square shrub ... its a giant plant.. planted when it was a babe.. on the foundation. with no real idea of its future potential ... lets not do that again ... and as part of the 5 year plan.. i would hide the foundation on the extreme right.. and no one wants to look at the basement walls ... do you have two front doors .. reminds me of the old doctors houses in my rural town ... kinda cool ... anyway.. plan and plant your backbones.. trees ... in teh proper planting season ... plan out future shrub locations not in the foundation ... and for this year.. just plant some pretty flowers in teh beds you now have... and if it takes 3 to 5 years.. so be it ... it will be stunning ... if you want the instant gratification.. as embo noted.. just go to big box.. and buy whatever strikes your fancy ... but search out future potential.. before you plant that babe which will end up a 10 foot problem ... ken...See Moremidwestmelissa
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