first impressions of the new Sektion kitchens

9 years ago

I went to my local Ikea to see the new Sektion kitchens in person. I didn't have much time, because of my toddler who NEEDS his early nap, so I just have a few impressions and no pics (yet).

First, I feel the overall fit and finish are better than the previous Akurum line. If I recall correctly, the Akurum kitchens had fairly large gaps between doors, through which you could see the frame of the cabinet. The toekicks and end panels also frequently had gaps. With the new Sektion kitchens, however, I didn't notice any gaps. The end panels and toekicks just looked much better to my eye.

The appliances fit in beautifully too. Refrigerators are a big improvement, with counter-depth and French door models now available. The CDs have only the door sticking out past the cabinetry panels. (Sadly, here in the US we don't get those sleek paneled, integrated ones that they have oh so cheap in the UK.)

A lot of kitchens in the new brochure show a fairly large filler strip with a wall oven installed in base cabinet beneath a cooktop, but in the showroom they had an oven under a cooktop that fit perfectly with no filler strips. Also, the brochure similarly shows a large filler under the apron sink, but in the showroom they had the apron sinks with no filler strips beneath.

When they did use filler strips, say a few inches above a refrigerator or built-in microwave, it looks to me like they cut down a piece of a door so that the filler isn't plain but has the profile of the door showing. I didn't have time to ask them about this. I am guessing they don't do this in their normal kitchen designs, but just to elevate the look in the showroom. (?)

As expected, the drawers and fittings for the base cabinets are awesome. The drawers and door hinges feel very solid and strong. They had some deep drawers loaded with pots and pans, including heavy cast-iron ones. I really like the narrow drawers hidden at the top behind a bigger drawer front. The clear sides of the drawers and dividers feel solid and sturdy. The drawer fittings are awesome -- divided utensil and flatware holders, knife blocks, spice bottle holders, etc.

I don't remember if they had the corner pullout option in the old Akurum (I don't think so?), but it is a nice option in Sektion, and at $128 I believe it is a fraction of the price of Hafele options.

The trash options are MUCH IMPROVED over Akurum. Akurum had tiny, tiny trash cans that I would probably fill more than once a day. They have a LOT of size options that can be mixed and matched in Sektion, right on up to some huge 14-gal cans. One undersink cabinet had a drawer pullout with 2 large trash cans on the right, shorter plastic bins on the left, and a towel pullout above the shorter bins, using all the space under the sink.

Most of the kitchens I looked at had a narrow, tall cabinet installed beside the refrigerator, with 3 drawers on the bottom and one large door on the top. Here, they also installed 2 pullout drawers in the lower area behind the door. These pullouts are white with fairly tall front, maybe 6", so you can't see what's in them. Also, they can't install the pullouts at the very bottom of the frame, because the fairly large door hinge is in the way. So, at the bottom is a narrow deep space that is hard to see or access, despite being in a waist-height ergonomically-perfect place. One unit, however, mitigated the wasted space with a couple of deep trays you could pull out.

I didn't spend much time looking at upper cabinets, since they don't have so many neat organizational features. They did install some high drawers on the bottom of upper cabs, just to show you can do this, I guess, because high drawers are hard to see and reach into. The glass-front doors with glass shelves are nicely lit, but they have the same visible corner reinforcement at the top as Akurum. They now have little plugs to fill the unused shelf pin holes. I guess this looks a bit better than unfilled holes.

I measured the rails/stiles of a few of the doors:
Bjorket Shaker door (natural birch): 2-1/8"
Grmislov: 3-5/8"
Filipstad raised panel: 2-1/2"
Edserum: about 3"

I guess Ikea just refuses to make a Shaker door with traditional sized rails and stiles (2-3/8"). Bjorket is the closest since the sadly departed beautiful Tidalholm oak doors.

One white kitchen, Bodbyn, had goldtone hardware with a beautiful color and finish. I have a house full of the hateful overly-shiny, overly-gold stuff from the 90's, but this is a bit matte and a cooler shade of gold, very nice.

One of the kitchens had lower open cabs with stainless-rod open shelving. I didn't remember seeing this in the brochure, but it looks very cool. The freestanding islands with butcher-block tops are probably not new, but they are very nice.

As I looked at all these things and scribbled a few notes, my 2-year-old boy waited with his Ikea Shopping List and little pencil in hand ("writing memories, Mama" like Piglet). I had let him watch a Daniel Tiger episode about waiting before we left, so he also kept saying to everyone who went by, "Waiting is so hard!" :-)

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lee676

9 years ago

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I got a very brief look at them - not enough time for a thorough investigation, but my first impressions were a definite letdown. The new cabinets, especially the drawers and pullouts, just do not have the almost high-end look and feel of the old ones. The sidewalls of the drawers and the supporting rods are no longer metallic silver metal, but rather a white enamel that looked like plastic though I don't think it actually was. The doors looked like plainer versions of the Akurum doors - Grimslov is the new Adel for example, yet they look less upscale and aren't obviously solid wood anymore. The available accent colors, not to mention the full-line door colors/styles, are more conservative - no more red, blue, or that retro light blue/green. The sinks and taps still look and feel cheap. I would have liked a finished-side option for the boxes (or available thin cut-to-fit panels in the common cabinet door colors) common in other cabinet brands as well as Ikea's thick panels used for exposed sides, which can sometimes complicate installation and cause width mismatches or infringe on adjacent wall cabinet doors from opening fully. I don't think the cabinet boxes are available in a light woodgrain anymore - I've seen just white thusfar, although I recall reading that a dark black-brown color would be another option (less attractive than the lighter color for most door colors IMO).

The counter-depth SxS fridge is nowhere near as nice as the old one - the formerly wide-open freezer section now has the top shelf completely filled by the icemaker mechanism and ice storage rather than tucking both unobtrusively into the door. The fridge section no longer has LED lighting scattered throughout the walls, instead just having a big lighting bar at the top and bottomi. The door shelves now have a non-transparent frame. There are only 2 slide-out bins rather than 3. The controls, water filter, and lighting intrude upon the space more. It does cost hundreds less than last year's model, but looks it. The ovens have an odd part-stainless, part-black frame. A double-oven range is available only in freestanding, not slide-in configuration. The only distinctive appliance remains the nice built-in 24"w microwave (with included extensions to fit 27" or 30"w cabinets), which I think is a new model but looks similar to the previous Nutid model. It's basically the Kitchenaid or Jenn-Air built-in MW minus the convection option, but at 1/3 the price.

There are also some obvious improvements though. There's now a base cabinet designed to hold their built-in microwave below the countertop, with a drawer beneath it, in 24" and 30" widths (if the KitchenAid and JennAir convection or speed ovens can be installed undercounter, they'll fit in the 30"w cabinet too). I'm guessing by ordering a shallower drawer at the bottom and relocating the divider shelf downward, a 24" or 60cm" conventional oven like my terrific sub-$1,000 {{gwi:2132981}} will fit nicely in these too (help for such mods can be found over at IkeaFans..... NOT). Likewise, I think a Fisher & Paykel single DishDrawer dishwasher could fit nicely under the new shallow top drawer and above a shallow or deeper drawer below it - even the newer deeper dish drawer might fit installed as such in a 24"w cabinet - a great option for small kitchens The base cabinets can now be installed using a rail system just like the uppers. The cover plates in the drawers no longer have a big Ikea logo, shouting to resale buyers that these are low-priced cabinets. The full-height tall cabinets for pantries and ovens are now available in an 18" width as well as 15" and 24" (I can hear the applause all the way from the opposite coast). The horizontal wall cabinets with upward-opening doors finally are made in widths that match the common wall cabinets with side-hinged doors rather than in metric sizes (more applause). The interior fittings are a huge improvement in both design quality and variety available. The corner cabinet revolving pie slices now have solid rather than wire shelves. The built-in LED lighting should ease installation of in-cabinet lighting - it could be added to the old cabinets of course, but the new ones seem designed for easy interior lighting installation - I'll see if they are actually any easier to add lighting to, and if the Ikea LEDs give off good quality light. Electrical and USB outlets are also available. I didn't find the 15"d wall cabinets to be too in-your-face, and the added depth will be useful to hold large plates, two stacks of smaller plates and bowls one behind the other, or more glasses and cups.

So some improvements and some backsliding. I'd be more forgiving if I didn't know Ikea was treating non-North American customers a much more versatile new Metod cabinet line that's much more in tune with Ikea's make-the-most-of-small-spaces philosophy that guides the rest of the store's offerings. I sure would like the tall 24"w refrigerators, 24" induction cooktops with 3 large burners rather than trying to needlessly squeeze four burners into that space, even a washer and dryer that hide behind cabinet doors, plus the variable-height base cabinets available in widths starting at less than 9" - with a broader selection of door styles to boot.

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enduring
9 years ago
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Thanks for the encouragement. I have been looking at the 15" bases and uppers today for a 100" run in my DH office that needs help. I am so glad that the shallow bases are now a bit deeper at 15" depth. I saw the uppers with the drawers, in the drawing program, for planning. They come that way in several configurations.

I am glad to hear that the drawers you saw looked sturdy. I wished they had a better selection of wood options. I do not want to get the foil product. My DH will have dirty farmer hands and I doubt the foil will hold up to potential solvents. He is real good with clean up, but just in case I have ruled foil out.

I will probably go with the Filipstad. But I like the dark brown Laxarby style the best. I think it might be too dark. Hopefully we will be going there tomorrow, either to Minneapolis or KC. Here in Central Iowa we are a bit over 3 hours from either.
AquaLove
9 years ago
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Thank-you for the report, I'm 6 hours from my IKEA so it will probably be a few weeks before I'm able to see Sektion in person. What did you think about the 15" deep uppers? I'm wondering if it will feel too in my face when I'm working at the counter.
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andersons21
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9 years ago
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Enduring, I'm sure Filipstad will be great. But I bet they have the same lacquer finish on both foil and wood, and it's the finish that provides the protection. I have oak cabinets with finish worn off, and believe me the wood underneath has not held up. There are large deep cracks through the large grain of the oak. IMO the key is to maintain the finish. When you see signs of wear to the finish, clean, sand, and recoat before the substrate gets damaged. Also, try to touch mostly just the hardware. (Our have no hardware, just a routed out groove.)

I looked at some 15" lowers with drawers, and they were great. I was wondering if I could make a unit for my office with a 15" lower and 2 uppers...

AquaLove, I was wondering the same thing and meant to look for that! But i guess I forgot! I didn't notice a closed-in feeling when standing there looking at things and opening and closing them. It certainly didn't look closed in. However, I'm sure the undercounter lighting makes all the difference. Also, a lot of the kitchens I looked at had a LOT of glass door uppers with glass shelves, well lit. For me, the wall with my cooktop is very small, and I don't think I want 15" flanking my cooktop. For the adjacent wall, they would be fine.
enduring
9 years ago
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Andersons, I was thinking of going to KC today, The IKEA is actually in Overland Park Kansas I believe. Anyway, did you think the 15" base with drawers might work for a file cabinet? That was my hope. I was looking at 15x24" base cabinets with the narrow drawer on top, middle draw a bit larger, the bottom drawer the tallest. I was thinking the bottom drawer could hold a lateral hanging file, but It might not be deep enough to accommodate the width of the files.

I will find out today, possibly. DH and I will be going on a road trip :)
nels1678
9 years ago
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Hi Guys,

I went to Ikea on monday and looked at Sektion too. I wasn't quite as impressed. Not totally disappointed, but I guess I was hoping for more.

It could just be the guys that setup the displays at our local store, but we noticed a lot of quality issues. On a number of the uppers, there were 1/16-1/8" gaps at the corner joints. we especially noticed it on the uppers. The drawers didn't feel particularly solid to us, especially compared to the crystal cabinets we had just looked at over the weekend. It's probably not totally reasonable to compare Ikea to Crystal, but there was pretty noticeable difference in both the stability of the drawers under weight (by gently pushing down on it) and how smoothly they pulled out.

On some of the Ikea uppers they stacked 2 short cabinets so that when you opened the doors you saw sort of a double-mdf layer which was a little weird. Not sure that there's any good way to hide that, but it wasn't a great effect. I guess if you have the doors closed you won't notice it most of the time.

The door options in general were pretty limited. BJORKET was nice but not really what we are going for. BROKULT was a big let down for us. At least imho it looks far nicer in brochures than it does in person.

The french door fridge was pretty nice looking, but only 19.5 cubic feet I think which is a bit smaller than we want to go. The induction cooktop looked like a pretty good value. One other thing I did like was the LED drawer lighting. I hope we'll see other manufacturers pick that up.

I think at this point I'll probably be looking more toward Barker, Scherr's or a local cabinet maker.
richbeau
9 years ago
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I hope you don't mind me tacking on my thoughts. I'm thinking other folks might find it easier to hear about impressions in one thread. In any case...

Went to Ikea yesterday (Saturday) to see the new Sektion cabinet line. It's a trip for us as the store is an hour away. Of course the place was a mad house but we were prepared.

I always love stores that make you traipse a serpentine route in order to get to your destination - not. The displays seemed a bit rushed - i.e. not very good quality assembly in a couple of places (Horda wine rack) downright shoddy. Still in the end the new cabinets seem to be a good rendition of the older styles.

The Bjorket birch, Bodbyn grey and the Grimslov medium brown were the winners for us. The Bodbyn off white definitely deserves an honorable mention. I think it's coming down to either the birch or the grey.

The stainless steel doors (Grevsta) were really cool looking but I have my doubts. I opened a drawer to check and they appear to be MDF wrapped with stainless and not foil. The inside of the drawer front was foil.

One of the things I was worried about was the new metal cross pieces and stone countertops. The displays had a number of custom cut quartz countertops so I'll check that issue off my list.

The brown frames are just plain ugly. They look and feel cheap. Plus they are so dark that the back of the interior just disappears into the darkness. You could definitely loose something in there.

At this point you cannot just order a preconfigured cabinet with white frames and Grimslov Brown via the web site. But the planner allows you to add the brown to white frames. Maybe it's just a web site bug and they'll fix it. Still it's a pita if you're trying to estimate costs.

The pull out blind corner mechanism does not seem to be very sturdy. We both dislike the floppy door lazy susan so we'll probably end up with a dead corner.

We were thinking we could stack cabinets (kick + base cab + countertop + wall cab + wall cab) to create a pantry. But we found that we'll have problems aligning the top with the other installed cabinets (kick + base cab + countertop + 18" wall space + wall cab). If you have a separate place to put this sort of stack you'll have no issues. I'm think I'll cap the cabinets with a 2-inch trim.

We spent a long while there. Folks were all pleasant and sharing bits and pieces that they discovered. The associates looked a bit frazzled - of course it was Saturday - with all the folks inspecting the new designs.

This post was edited by richbeau on Sun, Feb 8, 15 at 17:16
rmtdoug
9 years ago
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On Saturday, I bought three 15" deep bases and six drawers for a bedroom closet. I only have 16 1/2" depth to work with, so these bases are perfect for that. I also looked at all the displays and generally agree with what others' above say. There are good, even great things, but there are misses, too. The 15" deep frames only allow a 12" deep drawer, but that is due to the specific Blum drawer hardware they chose. I was hoping they would have fixed that.

Anyway, this afternoon I put together a 15" and 24" wide base that will be joined together in the closet and got them mounted in their space. Assembly took 20 minutes on the first one and 10 minutes on the second. The metal top braces are a non-issue and are a nice improvement over the old frames. I bought the dark base frames and I second what was mentioned above, they are really dark! Kind of an oak grain finish, too. I much prefer the lighter beech of the old line. Oh well, at least when the drawers are closed, there will be a nice blackness in the gaps and the frame color will be invisible until you open a drawer.

I build my own fronts and do my own trim, so I concentrated on the modularity and flexibiltiy of the new line. In that respect, Ikea outdid themselves. This new line is extremely flexible and standardized on sizes. It's a DIY'ers dream. There are basically only three drawer heights, 5", 10" and 15". One template will cover all three for drilling the mounting holes. Doors should work out the same way. The only variable is the width. I'm really looking forward to working with these cabinets to see what I can get out of them. Prices are comparable to the old line once you add all the parts together.

Oh, one more thing, the thin back piece that slides down in the grooves and gets nailed, on the 24" frame it was folded in the middle, so there is now a thin whitish line running down the middle of the back, and it really sticks out because the finish is so dark. Looks goofy. A dark brown or black felt pen dabbed on the white spots will probably fix it well enough, but if using these for uppers with doors, it's definitely something to be aware of. The 15" wide frame was one piece, however. I suppose for drawers, it's probably not a huge deal, but I would sure not like looking at it all the time in an upper with glass doors.
lee676
9 years ago
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Oh, the second row of holes for shelf pins or rollout drawers that's not shared with the holes for the hinges seems like a great idea if it means you no longer have to work around the hinge positions when choosing shelf heights. I hope it accomplishes that.
nels1678
9 years ago
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rmtdoug: did everything line up well? I think the biggest disappointment we had when walking through the store was how many of the cabinets had visible gaps in the corners. I figured it was probably just because they were hastily thrown together, but a part of me wondered if the pieces didn't line up quite right and it wasn't the installer's fault.
rmtdoug
9 years ago
Mark: I only joined two cabs, and they lined up just fine, but like anything with cabinets prep is the major part of installation. I did notice when clamping them before screwing them together that the surface is quite slick and wanted to slide when applying pressure, so I had to be careful at that point but a few taps with a dead-blow mallet evened things up as I slowly tightened the clamps. After that it was easy to drill the holes and put in the screws, and I did use all 8 screws, four on each side. It's pretty solid. I would not be too worried. The parts are made in really high end factories and tolerances should be pretty close.
Shari Edwards_Gross
9 years ago
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I, too, looked at the cabinets on Saturday. Our display kitchens were well put together, no gaps or excessive filler. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the option to install automatic lighting in all the cabinets and drawers! I liked the drawer within a drawer option. What I didn't love were the doors...they felt "light" to me. Also, the two traditional door options available in white are really an off white. The lighting wasn't bright enough to tell just how "off white" they truly are or if they are the same color. Because of this I will use the boxes for my re-model and buy my doors from Sheers.
raenjapan
9 years ago
I saw them the other day, too. Mostly good, but I thought the drawers-within-drawers were kind of hard to open. My fingers barely fit into the tops of them to pull them out (and I don't have big hands). There seems to be no room for handles. Did anyone else notice this?

Loved the spice rack inserts, and I like the white drawers better than the old gray ones. I also thought the 15" uppers were great.

The cabinet fronts remain just OK. They look good enough, but they're clearly not super-high end. I had the old version of Grimslov in my last house, and they held up great, but I may go with custom doors in this new house.
Patricia
9 years ago
Raenjapan,

I, too, noticed how some of the drawers within drawers were too difficult to open. But others were not; in "my" store, the difference seemed to be how close the inner drawers were spaced within the outer drawer. Those drawers with nearly zero space between were really difficult to open. But assuming you have enough room within to determine your own space needs and can space them accordingly, that difficulty should be eliminated.

I bought small drawer fronts of the beadboard off white and the birch shaker styles to take home and look at in my own light. I like them both. I also really like the 15" depth uppers and the availability of the 15" cabinets in so many heights (in shallow tall cabinets, base cabinets and wall cabs. They are within our budget and we will be using IKEA. So I hope it works out.
andersons21
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9 years ago
I like the drawer-within-drawer and didn't have any trouble opening them. I have average hands.

I personally don't care for the visible construction when using clear glass doors for uppers. The big corner reinforcement, the shelf peg holes (even when covered), and the visible lighting. I'm not planning to use any glass uppers, and if I did, in my office perhaps, I'd be looking at the frosted options, or frosting them myself. I haven't checked lately, but I thought when I looked into this before, that Ikea's doors aren't priced much lower than comparable doors ordered elsewhere.

Lighting in the showroom is definitely different than in my home. My local showroom has NO natural daylight. NONE. So, things are going to look a lot different in the much brighter conditions that include windows.

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