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Hybrid Teas released 1921 - 1950

24 years ago

I'm trying to find information on Hybrid Teas bred and released from 1920's to 1950. Most of the books I've got hardly deal with these roses.

Does anyone know of any books, resources, leads that I can go to for some better research material? Info on breeders intentions, plant growth habits, parentage and growers' personal comments on these varieties will be fantastic.

Thanks in advance.

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Annagoat
24 years ago
I've got a book called Roses by Roger Phillips & Martyn Rix, part of the Pan Garden Plants Series (now published by MacMillan - I think.) There's a section on Early hybrid teas giving breeder, date and parentage. Hope that's helpful to you.
jon_in_wessex
24 years ago
Steve,
Has anyone pointed you toward HelpMeFind? You can search by Class and date . . .

Hope this helps

Jon

Here is a link that might be useful: Rose search page
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greenwitch
23 years ago
Vintage Gardens has an excellent website and catalog for $10 that is one of the best resources I have ever seen. They have a huge selection and commentary on vintage hybrid teas and other classifications.
Alois4
23 years ago
Hello Steve,
have a look to David AustinÂ´s : Shrubroses and ClimberÂ´s, there are some early HTs described. And look if this book was translated into English:
Alma de l`Aigle: Begegnung mit Rosen. DÃ¶lling und Galitz Verlag. hamburg. Germany.
It was written in the fifties and there are a lot of early HTÂ´s described.
andrearose
23 years ago
Brent Dickerson, an 'old rose' author, is also interested in these roses. He refers to them as 'middle age' roses - you might ask him if he knows of any relevant printed material - his email is odinthor@csulb.edu, he also has a website, I can't type the whole address in for some reason (sorry) - but you can do a search on his name...

A.
andrearose
23 years ago
Another idea - go to Bookfinder.com, do a search on McFarland, Horace

He wrote a book in 1936 called Roses of the World in Color - I found a copy at a used book store, and bookfinder has a few also, not as detailed as the info you want, but great pictures and other books also listed - some of those old American Rose Annuals have lots of info on these roses.

You can probably get them shipped fairly inexspensively (I know I spelled that right???)

Andrea
sonbie
23 years ago
Andrea took my suggestion. I was fortunate enough to borrow the early American Rose Annuals from my public library's link to college libraries. They give you a good sense of the early Hybrid teas and people's favorites. They are an interesting read. Don't know where you could obtain them--but maybe a good botanical library at a university would be a start. Vintage Gardens also has the best selection of them on their website. That is where I got mine.
Sonbie
canarybird01
23 years ago
Steve...
There is another book by Roger Phillips and Martyn Rix called 'The Quest for the Rose - The Most Highly Illustrated Historical Guide to Roses.' Their chapter on Modern Roses is about 50 pages long and encompasses hybrid teas and floribundas as well as paragraphs on important rose breeders. You may want to have a look in a library or book store - I have found it very useful and full of historical information accompanied by many photos which include shots of whole bushes, not just closeups of one flower.

I see there is a paperback edition from 1996 and Amazon is out of stock at the moment but you may find it in a library or 2nd hand bookstore. Here are the details of my hardcover copy from 1993:

'The Quest For The Rose' - Roger Phillips & Martyn Rix
ISBN 0 563 36442 4
Published by BBC Books 1993

Sharon in Tenerife
Sylvia
23 years ago
ebay often has listings for the American Rose Society annuals.
Sabine
23 years ago
Hi Steve, If you are ever near op shops or second hand book shops you can sometimes pick up old rose catalogues and books. It is amazing what you find in those places.

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