Interesting. I already grow MAC, which is a lovely rose, but I have room for one more climber and I was considering Eden. I have seen two specimens here in Southern California. One is at The Huntington Library and Gardens and the other is at a local nursery called Persson's. The one at Persson's looks very old, with the main cane probably 6 inches in diameter or more. At least right now they are both covered in blooms that are gorgeous! I am very surprised to hear that the blooms won't open here, especially given the rather cool and wet spring we have had! Another reason I liked Eden is that, as old as the plant is, it seems rather small. MAC, as mentioned, is gigantic. Eden gets very large HT sized blooms which remind me of Moonstone and a lot of them.

Titian, if your growing conditions are reasonably favorable, I think a tree is a good idea, because she'll get big. MAC isn't thornless, but she's not one of the wicked kinds to train; she also has flexible canes that are easy to handle. A fine rose, particularly if you have a weakness for white roses, as I do.

You've convinced me to cut some Mme. Alfred Carriere for inside. I'm not sure why I never thought to before. I went out just before dark to see if she had enough blooms, and I think she does. I took a quick picture, since there was no glaring sun to interfere. I also noticed that my Mel's Heritage is blooming for the first time! Does anyone know how this one does as a cut flower? Don't you grow it Jeri? It was too dark for a picture of Mel's Heritage, but here's my baby MAC, just for kicks. And yes I know, not the best spot for such a house eater. Lisa

Yes hot indeed.We enjoy hot summers but winters cold and strong sea winds do much damage. I now have roses that can cope with such variation of heat and cold .Took me long time to find roses like horses for courses . Canadian Explorer rang from Morden research labs In Canada have a full range of great plants that are hard as iron nails .John Davis rose flowers most of summer in pink scented flows of climber 10 foot x 7 foot .Makes a good column climber .It can be left and not covered in minus 30c winters and still come back in Spring better than ever. John Cabot too makes a wide rambler on pergoda frame . With out them my rose garden would be bare or cut right back to take half summer to reach a good tall plant .Summers are 100f in July . June is best month for building in garden s. Summer goes on to end of October. Autumn tree colours November December .Worse month February . Im English used to hardly any winters and cool summers .Took some time to find my garden needs in rural wild Latvia