It seems like there is way too much variability to say that any of these varieties aren't as hardy as the next from reading all of this. My CL is just barely coming in from a decent plant that i planted last early summer. The TT is okay.. not big or small from the same sized plant. I hope these two hang on. My E. Paradoxa that i started from seed last year stayed semi evergreen through the winter. My sunset, sunrise and harvest moon, Green Jewel, "Rocky Top", tennesseensis, "Raspberry Tart", "Pink Parisol" are all coming back. All are still small. My Pallida... still looking for it... got covered in some straw that i had around a fig... so i need to clear it out to check. I don't want to loose it.. i liked the look of it last year. The standard purpurea are all up and the strongest of them all of course.

I used to live just south of Lafayette- of course they never had anything good or out of the ordinary when I was there LOL! There were a few nice nurseries around but most just had run of the mill stuff. I think Stokes Tropicals had the most unusual plants out of all the nurseries in that area but I didn't see any Etlingeras there either. You would definitely need a greenhouse or to bring them in for the winter even on the LA coast. From what I've read they don't like to bloom in pots....can anyone else comment on this? I have seen them for sale on ebay. Steve do you grow the torch gingers and have you got them to flower? I know of a few people who have had them planted in the ground their greenhouses in N FL who have had them flower but said they got very tall first. I would love to try to grow these here (9a) I only keep my gh up half the year. I have other tender zn 10 &11 plants growing successfully here. ~SJN

Awesome discussion here! Thx much. Almost a year ago we moved to a house with awesome garden potential, but essentially no plantings. Yep bare slate. So I brought things with me from the last yard to kick things off. Now I'm looking for suggestions for a couple FRAGRANT 4 to 8' tall Hedychium hardy gingers that will grow and flower well here in our z8b Seattle area. I want marked tropical effect AND need them both quite fragrant and visually exciting. These must be Queen's that hold their own and contribute well in a Canna / Gunnera / Iris area*. What do you recommend most to try? _______ Background internet research summary impressions so far: All Hedychium coronarium and 'Anne Bishop' have the right fragrance profiles, look awesome, but likely won't flower here in time. 'Tara' may have some fragrance after 10 PM, if it is very warm summer, but it's risky and I have several orange canna already visually holding their own. Having the fragrance potential 'Daniel Weeks' might be an early enough bloomer, but no comments on it yet for PNW. UK expirence suggests densiflorum 'Stephen' is potentially early enough, but only if in a warm sheltered spot. And Aloha Tropicals suggests trying a gardnerianum Kalihi type or H. 'Mutant', but I see no locally reports for either and the Mutant only has small curious flowers. ______ * Garden setting where Hedychium must shine visually ... imagine awesome fragrance wafting** through a late afternoon or evening stroll ... and your nose leads you to tropical, at less expense than going to Hawaii. GARDEN PHOTOS & DESCRIPTION Early Summer initial staging in this quadrant: Late Fall staging so far: The above center photo Chilean Gunnera, at 5' then, has almost a 12' x 12' romping area ... and I have a machete. The light leaf zone to its right is a Canna 'Stuttgart'. Foreground is a sizable 3' deep fish n frog pond. To it's right (not shown) separate Lotus and tadpole rearing (fishless) zone. Adjacent to this area also staged for early spring planting, are selected German Iris and Echinacea in a rainbow of colors, staged with shorter types in front (see front right and side and central of photo below). Behind the canna (left) and walkway, snaking along the pathway already planted are Japanese Iris in a bog zone connected to the Gunnera bog pit as water supply. To the back left of the shed in the sunny empty spot (where a ceramic head sits on a pole now) will be a giant Canna musafolia (reddish form). Upper right in the above photo shows a Hardy Basjoo Banana, with room for small grove to develop. It grew from 4" pot acquired in May to 4.5' in Ocotober last year and had about 4 offshoots already. The Banana sits to the left side of a 5' x 15' x 2.5' deep root barrier protected bed with 3 starts of Golden Vivax Timber Bamboo (35 - 50' expected height). The bed runs parallel to a large laurel backdrop framing the rear yard and the walkway, On the right back corner of the shed photo above, in an afternoon shaded spot, is a hydrangea division of our 12" giant aspera 'Sargentianum'. Photo from last yard below. There is enough distance between the German Iris bed and shed to have some (already staged to plant) compact (Red) Hot Poker and Crocosmia of different colors, as well as a natural ground path space towa Giant hygrangea and Golden Bamboo and Banana stand pits. The path is edges with smaller select Hydrangea Hosta. Some of the hosts are large, such as 'Komodo Dragon' and 'T. Rex', varigated ('Great Expecations', or fragrant (plantinga). To soften the front right corner of the shed is staged a 'Jordan' Full Moon Japanese Maple not yet very large but growing fast here. Its bright golden yellow green summer leaf color and Spring/Fall orange and reddish colors were selected to make one's eye dart between the similar and contrasting colors in this yard quadrant's backdrop. _______ Recent background internet research effecting the Hedychium decision: Local landscaping consultants here often state that in our coolish Oceanic Climate only 'Tara' and densiflorum (looking like 'Assam Gold'?) flower reliably, before it gets too cold. Hands down most reliable here (and world wide in northern climates) is 'Tara'. But 'Tara' may not be very fragrant here. And both of these Hedychium are quite orange. I'm afraid my orange canna will over shadow visually. But canna lack fragrance! Guessing 'Tara' is a must try anyway. Late Summer photo of Canna that will be near any Hedychium selected: [Yup: hard to beat 'Durban' = 'Phason" = 'Tropicanna' for visual drama! Guess this is why sellers keep re-branding it? It looks great next to the Cardinal Flower 'Starship Scarlett' that I grew from Burpee sourced seeds. Yeah I should rebrand and sell the canna as 'Orange Firefall', 'Starship Class' or 'Dragon King'. Acquired this in one gallon pot in last June and this photo was a same yeat October photo. But I digress ....] As for fragrant Hedychium potentials already acquired for testing, I was able to find 'Elizabeth' and 'Dr Moy' starters last fall. 'Dr Moy' has neat likely variegated leaves, but might not flower here reliably? _______ It's not that we lack fragrance in the yard already, but it is in different seasons or areas. ** Other seasonally progressing fragrance elements staged here already: Late Winter Witch Hazel 'Jelina'. Spring Hyacinth, Poets and Thalia Narcissis, Muscaria and with opposite effect ... Crown Fritillaria and a large PNW Shunk Cabbage in bog planter. Edgeworthia chrysantha 'Nanjing Gold' and Daphne (3 kinds). Winter Jasmine and Honeysuckle on gazebo. Giant Himalayan Lily***. Stock along some walk boarders. Oriental and other tall lilies. White Brugmansia & Nicotinia alata for moongarden near hammock area (wife's favorite mid summer to fall place after work to read). Three powerfully fragrant roses, one climbing 'Zephirine Drouhin' at house front door and 'Secret' and 'Jude the Obscure' near covered back patio off kitchen. The yard also has 8 kinds of timber bamboo, a great many types of Hydrangea and two very long fence selections with Clematis (you guessed it) of differents kinds and a Golden Hops too. *** We brought a Cardiocrium giganteum with us that turned out to be Yunnan variety. It surprized us and bloomed 3-4 months later in the transfer tub at 9' tall. It liked the northside of a building in our yard. The colony it is forming has been worked into the yard. I mention it here because is powerfully fragrant a night. Right after sunset it wafts lily fragrance across the yard. If if air movement is very light you can enjoy it in a 10' wide by length of the yard zone. If you get one, plant it in a protected morning sun courtyard or nook where the fragrance can linger. Bring hammock and light jacket. -- click photo to engage "wow" effect -- We picked them up locally at a couple different PNW locations a few years ago and lucked out to get both this and the other larger white one too (here at 9' too in a shadier location in our last yard). Internet photo: understandably I'm pushing the sun and fertilzer more to shoot for its fuller potential. Disclaimer: they don't grow well away from the mild temperate to subalpine? Himalayan home habitat, unless you have a cool summer mild humid climate. They work great here in PNW... unlike many Hedychium.

Hi The naming system for this family leaves a lot to be desired lol The common names in particular . Love the family but hate the winter dormancy i find globbas ,zingerber ,curcuma kaempferia all go dormant no matter what the weather so I grow them in pots otherwise I have big holes for long periods. Alpinia will remain evergreen except for cold or drought induced dormancy. Have one identified as A. zerumbet but is well over 20 feet tall while the flowers emerge from the leaf tips feel it is an alpinia but not zerumbet though again there are dozens of varieties not to mention hybrids. Etlingera flowers from separate stalks much like zingerber(pine cone) Have always wanted to try them if they are evergreen and with over 100 members in the genus there must be some that don't grow into trees?? They were selling some at the Fairchild sale that they referred to as "glass roses" they wouldn't go beyond etlingera but the flowers were pink /white a foot wide and did look like they were made of glass !! Was excited until I found they only had seeds at 5 bucks each!!! I have since tracked down an ID Etlingera venusta but have never found them again. gary