My guess, and this is just a guess, is that dilution of vinegar is really being used as a soil acidifier. It sounds like something I could dump on the hybrid multifloras, and there would be much rejoicing. It's fairly common for roses to have rather distinct ideas on how big they want to be. If somebody tries to keep them smaller than that, all they do is grow until they get to the 'right' size. As much as anything, it sounds like the 'right' size is too large for the spot. Not only do landscapers like to plant for a finished look, but around here they tend to think all roses are HTs. Seeing a R. hugonis jammed into a 3 ft spot makes you realize just how clueless they can be. However, the Meidiland roses at the gas station look just fine. They are supposed to be 4-5 ft shrubs and do their job.

Hi JumboJimmy, I purchased this from Ashdown and it is Cinderella Fairy Tale. I saw that name on HelpMeFind, but it was just one of a few names. *Ashdowns' info: Cinderella (KORfobalt) - Shrub, light pink, Zone 5 - Introduced in 2003 by Kordes, W. Sohne - Growth Size & Characteristics are: large shrub (5'+), short climber (under 10'), fragrant, repeat flowering, cutting. Ashdown Detailed Description: Winner of gold medals in Baden-Baden, Geneva and Rome this stunning rose bears old fashioned blooms with a fruity apple like scent all season long on a very disease resistant shrub. The growth is relaxed and in warm climates it can be a small climber.* Yes, Erics' does look beautiful! I am going to put the picture beside mine so she has an idea of what I want her to accomplish in the next couple years... Cinderella is used to being ordered about, eh? hardy har haha... Brigittas pics are wonderful. (Saved the link, thank you) Allison

2004 MODERN SHRUB ROSE LIST LISTED BELOW IS A HANDY LIST OF ROS, CLASSIFIED AS MODERN SHRUBS (S). BY: Ronald Schwerdt 5-14-04 A MACKENZIE---------------------RB---1985 A SHROPSHIRE LAD-------------YB---1997 AALAND-----------------------------DP--------- ABBOTSWOOD--------------------MP---1954 ABRAHAM DARBY---------------OP---1990 ABRAXAS---------------------------DR---1973 ADELAIDE HOODLESS----------DP---1975 ADMIRED MIRANDA-------------LP---1983 AELITA--------------------------------W---1952 AKASHI-------------------------------LP-------- ALBA MEIDILAND----------------W---1987 ALBERT EDWARDS--------------LY---1961 ALBERT MAUMENE-------------OR---1934 ALBERTAN-------------------------MP---1962 ALBINIA-----------------------------OP---1996 ALBINO------------------------------W---------- ALCHA-------------------------------MP-------- ALCHYMIST-----------------------AB---1956 ALGONQUIN-----------------------PB---1928 ALICE MAVIS----------------------OR---1994 ALL THAT JAZZ-------------------OP---1991 ALLAMAND-HO-------------------PB---1984 ALLIE--------------------------------MP---2000 ALMA BIERBAUER---------------OP---1997 ALNWICK CASTLE---------------PB---2001 ALOYSIA KAISER---------------MY---1937 ALSACE-----------------------------DR---1992 ALTALARIS-------------------------W---1941 ALT-MARBURG-------------------LP---1979 ALWAYS A SMILE---------------OB-------- AMADEUS--------------------------RB---1991 AMBER SPIRE---------------------AB---1995 AMBRIDGE ROSE----------------AB---1994 AMERLOCK------------------------OP--------- AMES 5------------------------------MP---1932 AMES 6------------------------------MP-------- AMIGA MIA------------------------MP---1978 AMMERLAND---------------------MY---1986 AMSTELVEEN----------------------OP---1993 ANDANTE---------------------------OP---1962 ANDERSONII-----------------------MP---1935 ANDREWÂS COMFORT----------LY---1996 ANEMONE---------------------------LP---1896 ANGELINA--------------------------PB---1976 ANGEL--------------------------------W---1982 ANITA PEREIRE--------------------W---1996 ANITAÂS BRIAR ROSE------------LP-------- ANJOU--------------------------------OP-------- ANNA ZINKEISEN----------------LY---1982 ANNE BOLEYN---------------------LP---2001 ANNE DE BRETAGNE-----------DP---1979 ANNE LAURE----------------------DR---1996 ANNIE EAST------------------------LY---1998 ANNIE NELL-----------------------MP--------- ANNIE--------------------------------LY---1998 ANN-----------------------------------MP---1998 ANTARES----------------------------PB---1996 APACHE-----------------------------YB---1961 APFELBLUTE------------------------W---1991 APOTHEKER FRANZ HAHNE--OP---1919 APPLEBLOSSOM FESTIVAL----PB---1999 APPLEBLOSSOM-------------------LP---1963 APPLEBLOSSOM------------------MP---1997 APPLEJACK-------------------------PB---1973 APRICOT BEAUTY---------------AB---1980 APRICOT KISSES-----------------AB---1999 APRICOT SURPRISE-------------AB--------- APRIL MOON---------------------MY---1984 ARABESQUE-----------------------PB---1997 ARCANTO--------------------------MP---1995 ARCHANGEL-----------------------LP---1979 ARMADA---------------------------MP---1988 ARMORIQUE NIRPAYSAGE---LY---1985 ARTIC EMERAL--------------------W---1982 ARTIC GLOW----------------------RB---1982 ASCHERSONIANA----------------M---------- ASPEN-------------------------------MY---1995 ASSINIBOINE----------------------DP---1962 ASTRID LINGREN-----------------LP---1991 ASUKA OTOME--------------------PB---2001 AUGUSTA---------------------------AB---1995 AUNT HONEY----------------------MP---1984 AUSTRALIAN SUNRISE---------RB---2001 AUTUMN BOUQUET-------------MP---1848 AUTUMN SUNSET----------------AB---1986 AVALANCH II-----------------------W---1998 AVANCE-----------------------------MP---1999 AWAYUKI----------------------------W--------- AYLSHAM---------------------------DP---1948 BABY BLANKET-------------------LP---1993 BABY TOM-------------------------MR---1997 BAD EMS----------------------------MP---1990 BANANA SPLIT--------------------YB---2001 BANSHEE----------------------------MP---1928 BARAKURA--------------------------LP---1999 BARBARA ALLEN------------------W---1999 BARBARA AUSTIN----------------LP---1999 BARBAROSA------------------------LP---1978 BARN DANCE-----------------------OP---1975 BARONIN VON ADELEBSEN--MR---1938 BARONNE DE NERVO------------------1969 BARONNE SURCOUF------------MP---1989 BAROQUE----------------------------M---1995 BASSINO----------------------------MR---1988 BASTEI-------------------------------OR---1973 BASYEÂS BLUEBERRY----------MP---1982 BASYEÂS MYRHH-SCENTED--------------- BASYEÂS PURPLE ROSE----------M---1968 BAYREUTH-------------------------RB---1965 BEAUTY OF DROPMORE--------W---1956 BE-BOP-------------------------------RB---2002 BEEÂS FROLIC----------------------LP---1976 BELGIAN LACE--------------------LP---1944 BELINDAÂS DREAM-------------MP---1992 BELLA NITIDA--------------------MP---1994 BELLA------------------------------MY--- 1995 BELLE AU BOIS DORMANT---PB---1960 BELLE DE DOM-------------------PB---1996 BELLE LOIRE---------------------------------- BELLE STORY---------------------LP---1985 BELLES AND BEAUS------------RB---1987 BENGT M. SCHALIN-------------DP---1956 BENJAMIN BRITTEN------------OR---2001 BERENICE---------------------------LP---1993 BERGERS MORGENROTE------LP---1959 BERING-------------------------------M---1997 BERLIN------------------------------OB---1949 BERMUDAÂS KATHLEEN------MR-------- BERNALIA-------------------------MP---1961 BERNENSIS------------------------MR---1994 BERTHA-----------------------------LP---1946 BESSY-------------------------------OB---1998 BETSY JANE----------------------PB----2004 BETSY TAAFFE-------------------AB-------- BETTY BLAND--------------------DP---1925 BETTY IRENE---------------------AB---1986 BETTY WILL-----------------------PB---1963 BEVERLY JAYNE-----------------LP---1999 BEYREUTH-------------------------RB---1965 BIBI MAIZOON--------------------DP---1995 BIDDULPH GRANGE------------RB---1988 BIJOU--------------------------------DY---1999 BIPONTINA------------------------MR---1988 BIRDIE BLYE----------------------MP---1904 BISCHHOFSTADT PADERBORN---OR-1964 BLENHEIM---------------------------W---1990 BLOOMING EASY----------------MR---1988 BLUE FRIENDSHIP-----------------M---1984 BLYTHE SPIRIT-------------------MY---2001 BOBRAVKA------------------------OP---1975 BONANZA--------------------------YB---1982 BONICA-----------------------------MP---1985 BONNE CHERE--------------------RB---1985 BONNIE------------------------------DP---1956 BORSALINO------------------------MR-------- BORUSSIA--------------------------LY---1992 BOUDOIR----------------------------PB---1995 BOULIEÂS DREAM---------------OB---1998 BOUQUET FAIT-------------------PB---1985 BOUQUET VANILLE--------------W---1993 BOURGOGNE NO.2--------------MR---1996 BOURGOGNE---------------------MR---1983 BOW BELLS------------------------DP---1994 BOWIE PINK-----------------------MP-------- BOY CRAZY------------------------DP---1992 BOY O BOY------------------------MR---1999 BRAUNWALD----------------------W---------- BRAVE PATRIOT-----------------MR--------- BRAVEHEART---------------------DR---1998 BREATH OF HEAVEN-----------MR---2000 BREDON-----------------------------AB---1985 BRENDA BURG--------------------OB---1999 BRIANÂS SONG---------------------OP---1977 BRIGHT ANGEL-------------------YB---1977 BRIGHT MELODY----------------MR---1984 BRILLANT---------------------------OR---1983 BROADLANDS---------------------DY---1993 BROADWAY------------------------YB---1933 BROCADE----------------------------W---1998 BROOK SONG---------------------MY---1985 BROTHER CADFAEL------------MP---1995 BROWN COUNTRY SPLENDOR-YB-1985 BRUNDRETTE CENTENARY---DP---1993 BUCKEYE BELLE-----------------PB---1956 BURGHAUSEN----------------------M---1991 BURLINGTON----------------------DR-------- BUSHFIRE---------------------------OB-------- BUTTERBALL----------------------LY---1950 BUTTERCUP 98--------------------DY---2000 BUTTERFLIES----------------------OB---1997 CAHTO MAID----------------------LP--------- CALLIOPE--------------------------MP---1985 CAMBRIDGE------------------------M---1994 CAMBRIDGESHIRE--------------MP---1998 CAMERON BOHLS---------------DR---2000 CAMILLA SUNSATION----------DP---1997 CAMROSE--------------------------MP---1998 CANARY BIRD--------------------DY---1907 CANDY MOUNTAIN-------------DP---1998 CANDY ROSE----------------------RB---1982 CANTAB-----------------------------DP---1927 CANTABILE-------------------------LP---1962 CANTABRIGIENSIS---------------LY---1931 CANTEBURY-----------------------MP---1969 CAPE COD---------------------------LP---1995 CAPRICE 86--------------------------------1986 CAPTAIN SAMUEL HOLLAND---MR---1991 CARDINAL HUME------------------M---1984 CAREFREE BEAUTY-------------MP---1977 CAREFREE DELIGHT-------------PB---1996 CAREFREE MARVEL------------ DP---2003 CAREFREE SUNSHINE-----------LY---2001 CAREFREE WONDER-------------PB---1990 CARISHAM-------------------------MP---1964 CARLA-------------------------------MR---1963 CARLEA-----------------------------MP---1965 CARMENETTA----------------------LP---1923 CAROLA-----------------------------DP---1988 CARPET OF COLOR--------------RB---1944 CASTELLA--------------------------MP---1985 CASTLE HYDE---------------------DR---2001 CASTORE----------------------------LP---1987 CAULDRON------------------------MP---1984 CEASAR-----------------------------YB---1993 CECILIA-----------------------------PB---1980 CEE DEE MOSS--------------------PB---1990 CELINA------------------------------DY---1997 CELINE DION----------------------OB---2000 CENTRAL PARK------------------AB---1995 CENTRE STAGE-------------------LP---2000 CERISE BOUQUET----------------DP---1958 CERISE NIGHTS--------------------DP-------- CERISE ROUGE--------------------MR-------- CERISE-------------------------------DP--------- CHARITY 97------------------------YB---2000 CHARIVARI-------------------------YB---1971 CHARLES AUSTIN----------------AB---1981 CHARLES DARWIN--------------MY---2001 CHARLES KURALT---------------MP---1999 CHARLES NOTCUTT-------------MR---1993 CHARLES RENNIE MACINTOSH---PB---1994 CHARLOTTE MARIE--------------PB---1998 CHARLOTTE------------------------LY---1994 CHARLOTTENHOF---------------MR---1938 CHARMING COVER--------------OR---1999 CHARMING-------------------------MP---1983 CHARTREAUSE DE PARME----DP---1996 CHATEAU CANNON--------------DR-------- CHATEAU DE LA JUVENIE-----LP---1901 CHATEAU DE VAIRE------------DR---1934 CHATEAU FRONTENAC--------DP---1996 CHAUCER---------------------------MP---1981 CHERRY JUBILEE----------------MR---1991 CHERRY MEIDILAND-----------MR---1995 CHERRY MEILLANDECOR-----RB---1995 CHERRYADE-----------------------DP---1961 CHIANTI------------------------------M---1967 CHIMO-------------------------------MR---1992 CHIPPEWA--------------------------MP-------- CHIRENO----------------------------DP---2001 CHORALE---------------------------LP---1978 CHORUS LINE---------------------DR---1992 CHRYSANDRA--------------------DP---1983 CITY OF ALEXANDRIA----------W---1991 CITY OF SAN DIEGO------------RB---2000 CLAIRE ROSE----------------------LP---1995 CLAIR--------------------------------LP---1995 CLAUDIA CARDINALE--------MY---1997 CLIFFS OF DOVER COVER-----W---1995 CLIO----------------------------------MR-------- CLOS FLEURI-----------------------------1970 CLOUD NINE------------------------W---1999 COCKTAIL--------------------------RB---1961 COEUR FAROUCHE----------------M---1993 COLONIAL DAY-------------------DR---2004 COMTES DES CHAMPAGNE---YB---2002 COMTESSE DE SEGUR----------MP---1994 CONCERTO-------------------------AB---1994 CONESTOGA------------------------W---1946 CONRAD OÂNEAL-----------------DP---1966 CONRODÂS CRIMSON------------RB---1972 CONSTANCE SPRY----------------LP---1961 CONTES DES CHAMPAGNE----YB---2001 CONTESSA---------------------------DP---1987 COOPERÂS BURMESE--------------W---1927 COOPERI------------------------------------1927 COPPER CROWN------------------OP---1992 COPPER KETTLE------------------OB---1997 COPPERS GRAND----------------MR---1997 COPPERY HEART-----------------YB---1958 CORAL FAIRY----------------------PB---1995 CORAL GABLES-------------------OP---1998 CORAL MEIDILAND-------------MP---1994 CORDELIA DE GREY-------------DP---1995 CORDELIA-------- ------------------MP---2001 CORVEDALE------------------------PB---2001 CORYANA--------------------------MP---1926 CORYLUS---------------------------MP---1988 COTTAGE DREAM----------------MP---1995 COTTAGE GARDEN---------------LP---1995 COTTAGE MAID------------------MY---1992 COTTAGE ROSE-------------------MP---1994 COUNTESS CELESTE-------------OP---1999 COUNTRY DANCER--------------DP---1973 COUNTRY FAIR--------------------LP---1998 COUNTRY LIVING----------------LP---1994 COUNTRY MUSIC-----------------DP---1973 COUNTRY MUSIC-----------------PB---1998 COUNTRY SONG-------------------LP---1984 COUNTRYMAN--------------------PB---1978 COUSIN ESSIE-----------------------W---1996 CRACKER, CLIMBING----------MR---1927 CREAM SUNSATION--------------W---1996 CREE----------------------------------LP--------- CRESSIDA--------------------------AB---1992 CRIMSON DELIGHT-------------MR---1992 CRIMSON FLOORSHOW--------DR---1999 CRIMSON MEILLANDECO-----DR---1996 CRIMSON VELVET----------------M CROCUS ROSE----------------------W---2001 CROWN PRINCESS MARGARETA----AB---2000 CROWNING GLORY--------------RB---2001 CUNNINGHAM LADY BANKS--LY--1900 CUTHBERT GRANT--------------DR---1967 CYMBELINE------------------------LP---1983 CYNTHIA WESTCOTT----------MP---1997 DADÂS PINK HILL----------------MP---1994 DAFNE-------------------------------PB---1995 DAISY HILL------------------------MP---1906 DAISY LANE-----------------------DR---2000 DAME PRUDENCE----------------LP---1969 DANICA------------------------------W---1998 DAPPLE DAWN--------------------LP---1983 DARK SHADOWS----------------- DR------- DARTÂS DEFENDER---------------M---1971 DARTÂS RED DOT----------------MR---1989 DAUGHTER MARGARET--------W---1985 DAVIT DOT-------------------------MR------- DAWN CREEPER------------------DP---1995 DAWN SUNSATION--------------PB---1997 DAYBREAK------------------------DP---1960 DE MONTARVILLE--------------MP---1998 DEANNA----------------------------PB----2004 DEBBIE------------------------------DR-------- DEBORAH---------------------------MP---1990 DECLIC--------------------------------M---1988 DÃCOR ARLEQUIN---------------RB---1986 DELLA BALFOUR-------------------B---1994 DELOITTE & TOUCHE-----------AB---1996 DENISE GREY----------------------LP---1988 DENTELLE DE BRUGES----------W---1991 DENTELLE DE BRUXELLES---MR---1988 DENTELLES DE MALINES-----MP---1986 DESERT ORCHID------------------LY---2001 DESERT STORM-------------------OR---1997 DIAMOND HEAD-------------------W---1998 DIRIGENT---------------------------MR---1956 DISRAELI---------------------------MR---1987 DISTANT DRUMS-------------------M---1985 DOCTOR GEHEIMRAT METTWEG----PB---1909 DOCTOR JACKSON--------------MR---1992 DOFNROSCHENSCHLOSS SABABURG----MP-1993 DOLCEZZA--------------------------MP------- DOMAINE DE CAPUIS------------M---1901 DONAUWELLE---------------------M---1991 DORCAS-----------------------------PB---1984 DORINDA---------------------------PB---1998 DORNROSCHEN-------------------PB---1960 DOROTHYÂS GEM----------------AB---2000 DORTMUNDER KAISERHAIN---LP---1994 DO-SI-DO----------------------------MP---1984 DOUBLE BLUSH--------------------LP---1846 DOUCEUR NORMANDE--------MP---1994 DOUGLAS GANDY----------------AB---2000 DOUTZ-------------------------------LP--------- DOVE DALE-------------------------MP---1998 DOVE----------------------------------LP---1986 DOWNUNDER----------------------DR---2000 DR E. M. MILLS--------------------YB---1926 DR HARRY UPSHALL------------PB---1993 DR HERBERT GRAY--------------LP---1998 DREAM CLOUD--------------------PB---1984 DREAMING FREE-------------------M---2001 DU PRE TELL------------------------LP---2001 DWARF PAVEMENT--------------LP---1986 DYNASTIE---------------------------------1993 EARLDOMENSIS-----------------MY---1934 ECHO---------------------------------OP---1970 EDDA--------------------------------MR---1969 EDDAN------------------------------MR---2000 EDITH SCHURR-------------------YB---1976 EGLANTYNE-----------------------LP---1994 EGON SCHIELE--------------------LP--------- EGYPTIAN TREASURE----------OB---1973 ELFENREIGEN---------------------DP---1939 ELIANE GILLET--------------------W---1998 ELISIO--------------------------------DP---1998 ELIZA--------------------------------MP---1961 ELLE----------------------------------DP---1980 ELLEN HAMLYN------------------DY-------- ELLENÂS JOY-----------------------LP---1989 ELLEN--------------------------------AB---1985 ELMSHORN-------------------------DP---1951 ELOISE-------------------------------MP-------- ELVESHORN-----------------------MP---1985 EMANUEL--------------------------AB---1992 EMBERS-----------------------------YB-------- EMILY--------------------------------LP---1994 ENGLANDÂS ROSE---------------MY---1985 ENGLANDÂS ROSE-----------------W---2000 ENGLISH ELEGANCE------------OB---1985 ENGLISH GARDEN---------------AB---1990 ENGLISH VIOLET-----------------DP--------- ENHANCE---------------------------LY---1992 EOS------------------------------------RB---1950 ERIC VON MELNIBONEE-------OP---1983 ERIE-----------------------------------LP---1946 ESPIRT-------------------------------DR---1987 ESSEX--------------------------------MP---1988 EUPHORIA--------------------------OB---1997 EUPHRATES------------------------PB---1986 EUREKA------------------------------W---1956 EURYANTHE-----------------------MP-------- EVELYN-----------------------------AB---1982 EXCELLENZ KUNTZE-----------LY---1909 EXPLORER--------------------------LP---1900 EYE APPEAL-----------------------DR---1992 EYEOPENER-----------------------MR---1987 FAIR BIANCA-----------------------W---1983 FAIR PLAY---------------------------M---1982 FAIR PRINCESS-------------------MR---1999 FAIRMONT MEMORY-----------PB---2004 FAIRY MOON----------------------LY---1993 FAIRY QUEEN---------------------DR---1998 FAIRY RED 92---------------------MR---1992 FAIRY TALE------------------------LP---1960 FALSTAFF--------------------------DR---2000 FANO---------------------------------MP-------- FAY-----------------------------------PB---1997 FELICITAS--------------------------MP---1998 FENJA--------------------------------MP---1965 FERDY-------------------------------DP---1984 FERGUS GAMES------------------OP---1999 FESTIVAL FANFARE-------------PB---1982 FESTIVAL PINK-------------------MP---1991 FEUERFUNKEN-------------------OR---1979 FEUERWERK----------------------OB---1962 FIELDFARE------------------------RB---1989 FIL DÂARIADNE-------------------LP---1988 FINANCIAL TIMES CENTENARY---DP---1994 FIONA-------------------------------DR---1979 FIRE MEIDILAND----------------MR---1999 FIRLEFANZ------------------------YB---1968 FIRST LIGHT-----------------------LP---1998 FISHERMANÂS FRIEND---------DR---1987 FLAMING STAR-------------------DR---1933 FLAMINGO MEIDILAND-------MP---1990 FLAMMENSPIEL------------------MP---1974 FLASH MEIDILAND--------------DP---1991 FLASH--------------------------------LP---1984 FLEUR DÂAMOUR----------------AB---1998 FLEURETTE-------------------------LP---1977 FLINDERS---------------------------PB---1901 FLORENCE DELATTRE----------M---1997 FLORENCE LYDIA---------------AB---1999 FLORENCE MARY MORSE----MR---1951 FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE-----W---1989 FLOWER CARPET----------------DP---1989 FLOWER GIRL---------------------LP---1999 FLUTTERBYE---------------------YB---1999 FOLK SONG------------------------PB---1964 FOLKSINGER----------------------YB---1985 FOOTLOOSE-----------------------DP---1998 FOREVER FREE--------------------W---1997 FOREVER FRIENDS---------------W---2001 FORTISSIMO----------------------MR---1974 FOUR INCH HEELS--------------DR---2003 FOXY PAVEMENT---------------DP---1988 FOXY--------------------------------YB---2000 FRAGRANT BEAUTY------------DP---1950 FRANCINE AUSTIN---------------W---1994 FRANCOIS KRIGE----------------DR---1993 FRANK NAYLOR-----------------RB---1978 FRANS HALS----------------------MP---1997 FRAU A. WEIDLING-------------MP---1930 FRAU MARIA RUDT-------------LP---1994 FRAU PROFESSOR GRISCHKO---MR---1947 FRAU SOPHIE MEYERHOLZ--MP---1942 FRAZZEL----------------------------RB-------- FRECKLEFACE--------------------PB---1996 FRECKLES--------------------------PB---1976 FRED LOADS----------------------OR---1968 FREDICA-----------------------------W---1974 FREISINGER MORGENROTE--OB---1988 FREYA-------------------------------PB---1910 FRIEDRICH HEYER--------------OB---1956 FRIESENSOHNE------------------DY---1982 FRIGG---------------------------------M---1969 FRINE--------------------------------MP---1992 FRITZ NOBIS-----------------------PB---1940 FRONDEUSE------------------------PB-------- FRONTENAC-----------------------DP---1992 FRONTIER TWIRL----------------PB---1984 FRULINGSSTUNDE---------------LP---1942 FUCHSIA MEIDILAND----------DP---1994 FUN JWAN LO----------------------W---1924 GALEJADE--------------------------OP---1997 GALWAY----------------------------LP---2001 GARDEN BLANKET--------------DP---1998 GARTENDIREKTOR OTTO LINNE---DP--1934 GAY VISTA-------------------------LP---1957 GEE WHIZ--------------------------YB---1984 GEMMA-----------------------------MP--------- GENE JONES------------------------W---2000 GENEVIEVE ROS-----------------OB---1998 GENTLE PERSUASION----------YB---1984 GEOFF HAMILTON--------------MP---1998 GEORGE VANCOUVER--------MR---1994 GEORGIAÂS LIFE-------------------W---2000 GERARD TER BORCH-----------DP---1997 GERTRUDE JEKYLL-------------MP---1986 GIANT PINK------------------------PB---1990 GIRTNERFREUDE----------------MR---1999 GLAMIS CASTLE-------------------W---1994 GLASTONBURY-------------------RB---1981 GLENSHANE-----------------------MR---1999 GLETSCHERFEE--------------------W---1991 GLOIRE DES ANCIENS----------PB---1987 GLORIETTE-------------------------OP---1979 GLOWING CUSHION-------------MR------- GLUCKSBURG---------------------PB---1988 GNEISENAU-------------------------W---1924 GODESCALCUS VULF DE SAPPROTHE---LP-1984 GODEWIND------------------------MR---1992 GOLD RUSH------------------------DY-------- GOLDBONNET--------------------MY---1973 GOLDBUSCH----------------------MY---1954 GOLDEN BAY----------------------YB---1979 GOLDEN BLANKET--------------DP--------- GOLDEN BORDER---------------MY---1993 GOLDEN BOUNTY---------------MY---1999 GOLDEN CELEBRATION-------DY---1993 GOLDEN CHERSONESE--------MY---1967 GOLDEN MOZART---------------MY---1986 GOLDEN PLOVER-----------------DY---1991 GOLDEN PRINCESS--------------YB---1984 GOLDEN TOUCH-----------------MY---1993 GOLDEN UNICORN--------------YB---1985 GOLDEN VALE----------------------Y---2000 GOLDEN WINGS------------------LY---1956 GOLDORF SEPPENRADE-------DY---1969 GOLDQUELLE--------------------MY---1965 GOLDSTUCK----------------------MY---1963 GOLF----------------------------------W---1993 GOOD OLD SUMMERTIME----LY---1997 GOSH---------------------------------LP---2000 GRACE NOTE----------------------PB---1984 GRACE-------------------------------AB---2001 GRACEFUL-------------------------LY---1966 GRAFIN HARDENBERG---------DP---1938 GRAHAM THOMAS--------------DY---1983 GRAN CANYON-------------------DY---1951 GRANDMAÂS LACE---------------LP---1994 GRANDMAÂS PINK---------------MP---1991 GRANNIEÂS ROSE----------------MY-------- GREEN SNAKE---------------------W---1985 GREG MOORE----------------------W---1996 GRIFFÂS RED----------------------MR---2001 GRUSS AN OLDENBURG------YB---1995 GRUSS AN RENGSDORF-------MP---1920 GULLIVERÂS GLOW-------------MR---1954 GUTERSLOH----------------------MR---1985 GWEN FAGAN---------------------LP---1992 GWEN SWANE--------------------MP---1987 GYPSY DANCER------------------YB---1994 GYRENE----------------------------MR---1987 HABANERA------------------------DR---1976 HADDENÂS VARIETY-------------M---1948 HAIDEE------------------------------PB---1953 HAILSTORM------------------------W---1999 HALLELUJAH---------------------MR---2000 HAMBURG-------------------------DR---1935 HAMMERBERG--------------------M--------- HAMPSHIRE-----------------------MR---1989 HANNOVERÂS WEISSE-----------W---1997 HANSA-PARK-----------------------M---1994 HANSEAT---------------------------MP---1961 HANSENÂS RED HEDGE--------MR--------- HANSETTE-------------------------MR---1938 HAPPY CHILD---------------------MY---1994 HARLEY----------------------------MR--------- HARMONIE-------------------------PB---1954 HARRIET ELIZABETH----------MP---1987 HARRIET NEESE------------------OP---1928 HARVEST SONG------------------PB--------- HAWKESBURY WONDER------MP--------- HAWKEYE BELLE-----------------W---1975 HEADLEYENSIS-------------------LY------- HEART ÂNÂ SOUL-----------------RB---2001 HEATHER AUSTIN---------------RB---1997 HEAVENLY ROSALIND---------PB---1997 HEAVENLY SCENT--------------MP---1999 HEIDI ROSSIN---------------------LY--------- HEIDIKIND-------------------------DR---1985 HEIDI--------------------------------MP---1987 HEIM MUCK-----------------------DR---1961 HEIMATLOS-----------------------MP---1931 HEINE---------------------------------W---1912 HEINRICH CONRAD SOTH----PB---1919 HEINSOHNÂS RECORD---------LP--------- HELEN BLAND-------------------MP---1950 HELEN KNIGHT-----------------MY---1970 HELEN LEENDERS--------------MP---1924 HELENA RENAISSANCE-------LP---1997 HELENA-----------------------------LP---1997 HELENE MARECHAL------------W---1995 HELGA BRICHET-----------------LP---2000 HELPING HANDS----------------MR---1997 HEREÂS COLETTE----------------PB---1999 HERITAGE--------------------------LP---1996 HERMINA--------------------------MP---1983 HERO--------------------------------MP---1983 HERTFORDSHIRE----------------DP---1991 HEYWOOD-------------------------AB---1995 HIGHDOWNENSIS---------------MR---1928 HIGHWAY ROSE-----------------DP--------- HILDA MURRELL---------------MP---1985 HILLCREST PILLAR------------MY---1930 HILLIER ROSE--------------------DR---1920 HOGGAR---------------------------------------- HON. LADY LINDSAY----------PB---1939 HONEYPOT-----------------------MY---1969 HONEYSWEET--------------------OP---1984 HOOSIER HYSTERIA------------DR---1981 HOPE FOR HUMANITY---------DR---1996 HOPE----------------------------------W---2001 HORATIO NELSON--------------MP---1998 HOT FIRE--------------------------MR---1995 HOTCHILE-------------------------OR---1998 HOTEL ROYAL-------------------MR---1980 HOWARD JERABEK-------------MP---1978 HUGES AUFRAY------------------PB---1996 HUNTINGTONÂS HERO----------LP---1995 HURDALSROSEN-----------------MP---1860 HURON-------------------------------LP---1932 HYBRIDE DI CASTELLO--------LP---1920 HYMENEE---------------------------------1969 ICE CASCADE----------------------W---1999 ICE FAIRY---------------------------W---1984 ICE FOLLIES------------------------W---1999 ICE MEIDILAND-------------------W---1996 IGNIS--------------------------------MR---1934 IIE DE FRANCE-------------------MR---1934 IIMENAU---------------------------MR---1992 ILSE HABERLAND---------------MP---1956 IMMENSEE-------------------------LP---1983 IMMORTAL JUNO----------------DP---1991 INA ANÂ MONA-------------------AB---1992 INCREDIBLE----------------------YB---1984 IROQUOIS--------------------------DP---1932 IRSnar--------------------------------RB---2001 ISABEL------------------------------DR-------- ISABELLA SKINNER------------MP---1965 ISABELLE RENAISSANCE-----DR---1995 ISTROPOLITEANA----------------------1990 ITALIAN PINK--------------------MP---1959 IVORY ANN-------------------------W---1993 IVORY CARPET--------------------W---1995 J. F. QUADRA----------------------MP---1995 J. G. MENDEL----------------------OR-------- J. P. CONNELL--------------------MY---1987 JACAFORD------------------------------------- JACQUELINE DU PRE------------W---1988 JAMIE ALEXANDER-------------RB-------- JAN STEEN-------------------------RB---1997 JANÂS WEDDING-----------------YB---1993 JANET A. WOOD------------------OP---2004 JAQUENETTA---------------------AB---1983 JARDINS DE VIELS MAISONS---MP---1998 JAUNE BICOLOR-----------------YB---1633 JAYNE AUSTIN-------------------MY---1993 JAZZ CLUB-------------------------AB---1995 JEAN LAPEYRE-------------------MY---1960 JEAN REX---------------------------DR---1999 JEEPERÂS CREEPER---------------W---1993 JELENA DE BELDER--------------W---1996 JENNIE SOMMERS----------------PB---2001 JERSEY CREAM-------------------LY---1996 JESSIE ANDERSON---------------DP--------- JILL DANDO------------------------RB---2000 JIM BOWIE--------------------------DP---1996 JIM LOUNSBERY-----------------OR---1995 JOAN FONTAINE-------------------W---1996 JOAN KRUGER----------------------W---1997 JOAN LONGER----------------------W---1991 JOE GREY----------------------------M---2002 JOHANNISFEUER----------------MR---1988 JOHN CANT-------------------------DP---1995 JOHN CLARE-----------------------DP---1997 JOHN DONNE----------------------MP--------- JOHN FRANKLIN-----------------MR---1980 JOHN PHILLIP SOUSA-----------RB JOHNÂS ROSE----------------------OB---1995 JOLISQUARE-----------------------MP---1998 JOSEPH F. LAMB------------------DR---1988 JOSEPHINE CARMODY----------LP---1995 JOSEPHINE ELIZABETH---------M--------- JOSYANE-----------------------------M---1980 JOYCE BARDEN-------------------LY---1999 JUDE THE OBSCURE------------MY---1997 JUILLET-----------------------------RB---1989 JULIA RENAISSANCE------------LP---1996 JULIA---------------------------------LP---1996 JULIE LYNNE ZIPPER------------LP---2002 JULKLAP----------------------------OP---1940 JUNIOR VAN FLEET--------------LP---1923 JUPITER-----------------------------MR---1987 KAKADU------------------------------W---2000 KAKWA-------------------------------W---1973 KALEIDOSCOPE--------------------M---1998 KAMMERSINGERIN PERRA--------------- KAREN-------------------------------W--------- KARL FISHER---------------------OR---1976 KATERYNA------------------------MP---1996 KATHARINA KUNDGEN-------MP---1996 KATHE DUVIGNEAU-----------MR---1942 KATHLEEN JANE----------------MP---1997 KATHLEEN KELLEHAM-------RB---1999 KATHRYN MORLEY-------------LP---1995 KATHRYN----------------------------B---1986 KATY GIRL-------------------------LP---2000 KATY ROAD PINK---------------MP---1979 KIESE--------------------------------MR---1910 KING CRIMSON-------------------DR---1991 KING HENRY----------------------DP--------- KING HEY--------------------------DR--------- KING RICHARD--------------------M--------- KING WILLIAMS------------------DP-------- KINGÂS ROW-----------------------YBÂ1965 KISSINÂ COUSIN------------------OP---1978 KNIRPS------------------------------DP---1997 KNOCK OUT-----------------------RB---1999 KONIG LUDWIG-ROSE---------MP---1994 KOOKABURRA--------------------LP---1998 KORALIE----------------------------LP---1991 KORDES BRILLANT-------------OB---1983 KORE--------------------------------YB---1980 KUHNHILDA----------------------MP---1983 LA GRANDE PARADE-----------MR-------- LACINATION----------------------MP---1997 LADY ANGELA-------------------MP---2002 LADY CAROLINA-----------------LP---1990 LADY ELSIE MAY----------------OP---2001 LADY ETHEL----------------------AB---1998 LADY SONIA----------------------MY---1961 LAMB CHOP------------------------PB---1997 LAMBERT CLOSSE--------------MP---1994 LANCASHIRE---------------------MR---1998 LANDMARK ROSE---------------MP---1996 LAURA CLEMENTS--------------DP---1999 LAUSITZ----------------------------MP---1959 LAVENDER DREAM--------------M---1984 LAVENDER FRIENDSHIP--------M---1984 LE ROSIER DU JARDIN OU CECILE---OP LEALAND JEWEL-----------------DP---1963 LEANDER---------------------------AB---1983 LEDA----------------------------------LP---1960 LEEDS CASTLE---------------------M---1998 LEMON MERINGUE--------------LY--------- LEMON ZEST----------------------MY---2000 LENIDORA---------------------------------1990 LEONARD DUDLEY BRAITHWAITE---DR--1993 LEXY---------------------------------MP---2000 LIBRE INGENUE--------------------W---1996 LICHTBRICK-----------------------YB---1972 LICHTKONIGIN LUCIA---------MY---1985 LIGHT 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BethC, take what I say with a grain of salt as I'm just a newbie, but the thread mentioned above is one I posted. ALL of those suggestions were great, but all weren't available. :( I fell in love with Yvonne Rabier. It has a sulphur yellow center that's driving me crazy as I can't stop looking at pictures of it. (I'd love to hear input on this rose.) I also discovered a charming white single at Burlington Roses called Tooth Fairy which I'd never heard of before. Both are (supposedly) hardy, disease-resistant and somewhat fragrant.. Both are shorter, but the growth habit of each differs.