Climber,
how are you planning to store the Fusilade once it is divided up amongst the sharers?
I'm sure you realize that the chemical needs to be stored appropriately, complete with its label which ensures correct use, PPE, clean-up and the correct disposal of the empty container and a myriad of further facts essential to its safe use.
(I have actually seen 1L containers)

Gavan, Come up to me at Reliable Roses. I will let you have some, AND give you chapter and verse about the important facts that are associated with its use. Lomatia, what about telling us where you saw the 1 litre containers?

The 1 litre container that I have is a Crop Care product.
Fusilade Post-emergence selective herbicide (212g/L)has been discontinued and replaced by Fusilade Forte 128 EC herbicide (128g/L)which comes in a 5L container.
There might be some of the former in 1L still around.

OMG, 5 litres for a fortified Fusilade. Where did you see the 1 litre containers??? Looks like little people need to rub up against farmers.

Well I've just come off the phone to Syngenta, producers of Fusilade. The new Fusilade Forte is, in spite of the inference in the title, not as potent as the former Fusilade. It is 60% the potency of the former product. 3 litres of the old Fusilade now is contained in a 5. What is significantly improved is the adhesion qualities of the surfacant, being much more resistant to rain debilitation. Spot spraying as I do probably gets too much product out, and explains my success with it. Boom spraying will benefit from a better application due to this improved adhesion.

Lozza, I was just passing and saw the thread on fusilade. I have a site that I visit when required for info on chemicals. IT IS FREE, it is called "Pestgenie", as ussual you have to login. I have just got off it and found another product in small sizes that Dow make, 250ml and up. Have used it with great success in the vineyard enviro and at home. Gaven try this site and it will tell all about the product, Hope this will help, with regards as always, David.

Thanks Lomatia for the safety warning, although I am aware of the issues, I would need to rely on the label for details.
Thanks Lozza for the offer, I'll contact you if I am going to take you up on it.
Thanks David, I'll get onto Pestgenie to get myself up to pace.

climber, I am so sorry that I did not tell you the name of the product, as my wife and I were just brousing and she picked it up. The product is called Verdict. Again I am sorry, regards David.

towards the end of last year, forget exactly when, as I had a LOT of nutgrass amongst my roses and was sick to death of trying to keep it down, I again investigated Fusilade.
I decided it would be cheaper to get someone in to do it than to buy the stuff myself.
I don't know for sure what has gone wrong...the guy assured me that it was the right stuff and he came back for a second spray 2-3 wks after the first as per contract and it did kill the nutgrass............for about 6 months.
It is now back. Nowhere near in the proportions that it was before and it does seem to me that the nut is not the same as before ie seems to be singular rather than shooting out others (maybe my imagination)
BUT it also has killed other little bulbs I had in the vicinity....other plants have also been affected and my roses are doing a major sulk.
This may be all co-incidence as some of you may recall, I started work at the beginning of 2005 and have not had the time for my garden than I had before. Some jobs have been neglected.
I was very disappointed in the whole business but trying to be fair about it, I'm not blaming the chemical outright when other factors MIGHT have come into it.
Annie

Annie, Fusilade won't touch Nutgrass, and it definItely doesn't and can't harm roses. Ask him what he used. My guess would be Roundup.

I feel that it is very important to check out exactly what people are using if you contract someone to do any spraying. We have a problem at work with weeds growing through a gravelled area (that white pea gravel - originally put down on black plastic). We paved a large area with bricks but some is still left gravelled, and the regular gardeners (or weeders) offered to spray it for me. "what would you use?" I asked. They have been in Australia for some 30 years but still have difficulties with the language, and general communications. They assured me they would use what the people used out at "the piggery". "No" I said "tell me exactly what it is called". They didn't know but no one at the piggery had complained. I ended up saying - no - forget it. We have close to 30 computer programmers working for us, some of them vegetarians, some health fanatics. In our situation, I felt even the use of roundup would be creating an issue for a few people. Using an unknown chemical agent would be just negligent, and certainly would be a health and safety issue.
OK - that's in the work place. What could go wrong in your back yard with no one to sue you? Your dog or cat might just go out and have a good feed of grass, and end up with a case of poisoning. This was always a huge problem with organophosphate poisoning (insecticides) and I have seen and treated many dogs thus poisoned, and a lot die. (this is where my insistant pedancy comes in re glyphosate, which many people insist on calling glyphosphate, but it is NOT related to the organophosphates. An unfortunate naming, but the distinction is important).
Now your dog is looking pretty sick and you are off to the vets, but you don't know what your gardener has sprayed. It's just something they used at the piggery and said it was OK.
Maybe I get a bit het up about the use of poisons at times, but I come from the generation where the spray can of DDT used to be brought out at meal times and puffed about the kitchen to keep the flies off our plates. It was at that stage perfectly safe. It only became unsafe (like smoking and asbestos) at a later date. Maybe the DDT messed with my brain?

Well, what's that stuff that is supposed to target nut-grass and only nutgrass?

Annie if you dont have time to do the weeding yourself why not get someone in to weed for you? (just like you got someone in to spray last time)
Im with you Sparaxis.

Thanks David, my verdict may well be Verdict, I'll investigate.
Sparaxis, my father was a chemist in the sixties and used to bring home free samples in satches of shampoo etc. My seven y.o. sister found a satchet and washed the dog in it. You guessed - it was DDT intended for the blackberries. Who knows how much of her subsequent behaviour was just that little-sister-up-your-nose-behaviour, or really little-sister-DDT-affected-behaviour. The dog did thereafter follow us into church and wouldn't leave, despite a sound beating from my mother's handbag.

Nut grass is a bugger Pam, if you don't mind me saying so. I don't know if you have experienced it. I am seriously thinking along the poisons road myself, sadly. I have had a strong man with a shovel digging deep around one clump and putting the whole lot, soil and all on the "heap to be burned". There are at least another 6 clumps through the grass, even bigger. To date, I have mown and ignored, but it is getting worse rather than better. The dug clump left quite a big hole. we are lucky here that the topsoil goes deep, and we can dig, but the nut grass goes deep too. There are already tiny ones coming back.
Climber - maybe the dog was looking for absolution? i have seen some seriously sad cases of accidental poisoning in animals, from people who should really have known better. The classic would have to be the farmer's wife who insisted that the dying pet lamb be put down by lethal injection, then buried in a nice little grave with flowers etc. The 2 dead farm dogs and the 1/2 eaten disintered lamb had to all be disposed of next day. A bullet would have been so much nicer.

The "top shelf" item for eradication of Nutgrass yellow or purple, is in this country known as 'Sempra' ('Manage' in USA), available from Landmark in 100 gram containers for $157 approx. That will do one hectare if boom sprayed, perhaps enquire as to what the spot spray rate might be. Not necessary to use glyphosate in combination as is recommended in the States, Sempra will do the job by itself I am informed by farmer friends.