Well, if you want them to grow more you won't do much top reduction at this time. And you certainly will need to replace the fans they are on now, when successful these are powerful climbers - I have seen one in Vancouver, BC perhaps 60' tall. Oregon Cooperative Extension will probably have information on growing and training these, what kinds of frames work well - if you haven't studied this information already. Probably both need more moisture and fertility to look good and take off, the appearance of the rhubarb - a gross feeder that also likes it pretty moist - really reinforces that supposition. Try a nice thick dose of composted manure around the rhubarb, likely this will also assist the climbers. Give all a good soaking and keep up the regular watering afterward. If you get the rhubarb producing big, dark green leaves that don't droop then probably you will see the kiwi take off.

Here's the one's I have on my fridge. From a card from my MIL: I know a little garden close, Set thick with lily and red rose, Where I would wander if I might, From dewy morn to dewy night. - Wm. Morris From a postcard from a tomato friend in KY: To see a world in a grain of sand, And a heaven in a wild flower, Hold infinity in the palm of your hand, And eternity in an hour. - Wm. Blake Quote from Oscar de la Renta that I cut from the newspaper: A garden is a lifetime. The only way I will ever be finished is when I'm dead. And lastly from a fortune cookie: Your love of gardening will take on a new meaning in your life. It's not much of a quote, but I still can't believe I got a garden message in a fortune cookie! Remy

Moni, Love the list. 1. Ditto on preferring rain. For all the trouble, mess and media attention, the ice is useless. Well, I know it melts, but a good, old-fashioned regular rain is still preferable. 2. I wish the bermuda grass would freeze to death! (Sadly, no such luck.) 3. I need to stay away from the seed company websites on a day like today or I'll order seeds I don't need and don't have room for. Everything looks so tempting and beautiful in those photos, especially on a gray, dreary day like today. 4. I journaled when I had a smaller lot in the city. Now, if I tried to write it all down, I'd never get outside to do anything. 5. DH has been out cleaning the garage, which is too cold of a job for me on a day like today. I like being warm, so here I sit with the laptop in my lap. (A laptop makes a pretty good heater too--it'll keep your lap toasty warm.) 6. We always try to be prepared for whatever the weather throws at us, but I'm glad we won't have to do our cooking on the outside bar-b-q grill. So far, little ice here and the power is on. (And, I have battery-operated socks to keep my toes warm if the power goes out, and those Hot Hands handwarmers. I hate being cold.) 7. I think we have enough food and water and pet food for at least a couple of weeks. I shouldn't have to go to the grocery store for a while. 8. DH is home today and, surprisingly, has only had one fire call today. DS is at work and said they were running extra ambulances to keep up with the larger-than-average number of calls they're expecting. We're just trying to stay warm, keep the animals fed, and are watching TV and eating. 9. Another wave of ice is supposed to arrive later today. It was at the Arizona-New Mexico border at mid-morning. It would be OK with me if it misses us. No one in this house is eating at the same time today because we all got up and got going at different times. It's like a short-order cafe here today. Outside, we've have our usual herd of does/fawns, which means 3 mamas and 4 babies. There is a yard full of birds.....more birds than the feeders can handle, so I scattered a coffee can full of bird seed right along the edge of the driveway for them. With several bird feeders, and a lot of feed on the ground, we have everything from goldfinches to blue jays, doves, cardinals, tufted titmice, chickades, sparrows, etc. We even have an occasional flicker and, even more rarely, a painted bunting. That's mine. Dawn

Here's a quick guide to a few of abbreviations and terms you're likely to run across most often on the Plumeria Forum. They're in alphabetical order. (Some of them are tongue in cheek, but that's the way we are around here.) EP: Exotic Plumeria, a Plumeria source. FC: Florida Colors Nursery, a Plumeria source. Also often abbreviated FCN. PP: The Plumeria People/Botanic Treasures, a Plumeria source. GW: GardenWeb, the host of the Plumeria Forum. GWers: People who belong to the GardenWeb community. Inflo: Inflorescence; a flower cluster. JP: Just Plumeria, a Plumeria source. PA: Abbreviation for Plumeria addict. They are in abundance on this forum. PE: Abbreviation for Plumeria envy. It strikes every Plumeria addict from time to time, especially upon the discovery that somewhat else has acquired a great new cultivar. Plumie: Idiomatic term of endearment for Plumeria. PMS: Plumeria Maniac Syndrome. An unfortunate psychological condition that may cause addicts at Plumeria sales to push and shove each other to get to the best plants first. Failing that, those in the deepest grips of the condition may rip branches off Plumeria snagged first by others. Sporadic; can be worse at certain times of the month and is thought to be influenced by ambient light levels. PP: The Plumeria People/Botanic Treasures, a Plumeria source. SNG: Spray-N-Gro. A supplement and growth enhancer. Also often abbreviated as SnG. ST: SuperThrive. A supplement and growth enhancer. "The Bidding Place": A notorious Internet auction site whose name we dare not speak. This list is a work in progress. If you would like to add additional terms and abbreviations, please email twistedparrot.