Thanks Sweeby! I did check your recommendation, it seems that they do not carry the pattern that I am interested in, but they do carry quite a lot of beautiful glass and options for the overall look of the door or cabinet that the glass is ordered for. Very beautiful way to finish a cabinet. I also posted this question on the Kitchens forum since there is far more experience with cabinetry over there and as I expected, I got a few more responses to my question. Here are the replies I received. They're very helpful, which is why I'm copying them here. RE: Have You Ever Heard of the Glass Inset Falling Out of a Cab D Breathe! The glass shouldn't fall out. If you're worried about it, however, there are little clips for securing the glass, and you can add more. You could also nail in a little molding bead. Most important, if you think there will be banging into the glass, get tempered. It costs more, but is harder to break and doesn't get as many shards when it does break. Check your local code. You might have to use tempered, or even wired, in a bathroom, by code, because people slip. I think my glass was installed by my cabinetmakers. They were here at the same time as the glass company was installing my BP backsplash, however, so I'm not 100% sure. Re glass shelves, it depends on what look you want, and what you're going to store. If you want the light to shine through the shelves, you must, of course, have glass shelves. For a beach or cottage look, however, you can just as easily do wood if it has a nicely finished side. Glass shelves might be better for a "formal" look. For a "formal" look, Reeded would be very nice. Glue Chip might be more feminine, however. Any simple, all over pattern would be good. I'd avoid anything that's figural, that is, no bamboo, leaves, raindrops, etc. RE: Have You Ever Heard of a Glass Inset Falling Out of a Cabnt D Posted by mama_goose (My Page) on Tue, Jun 22, 10 at 14:15 Are there already plenty of mirrors? With several girls using the bathroom, you might consider another mirror in the door. Here is a link that might be useful: Mirrored cabinet doors thread. RE: Have You Ever Heard of a Glass Inset Falling Out of a Cabnt D Posted by cupofkindness (My Page) on Tue, Jun 22, 10 at 14:20 Plllog: Thank you so much for your reply, it sets my mind at ease. Good, practical information. Here is a link to the patterned glass that I'm considering. I don't think it is tempered, however. I just hope it has a timeless appeal. My local glass shop doesn't carry this pattern, so I may have to buy it from the cabinet company, which I'd rather avoid. But at this point I just need to move forward. Any other opinions? What do you think of this pattern? Thanks again! Here is a link that might be useful: Morisco Glass RE: Have You Ever Heard of a Glass Inset Falling Out of a Cabnt D Posted by growlery (My Page) on Tue, Jun 22, 10 at 14:30 One can't say it would never happen. But it wouldn't happen without warning. You'd notice the joints getting loose, the glass jiggling or rattling, the cracks getting wider. This could happen over the years as a normal part of wear and settling. Just take it down long before anything happens, have it fixed put it back up and it should give you many more years of safe service. RE: Have You Ever Heard of a Glass Inset Falling Out of a Cabnt D Posted by plllog (My Page) on Tue, Jun 22, 10 at 16:53 Cup, I think the pattern is pretty and girly enough, if a bit busy. It's not what I'd choose for "formal", but if you have some Victorian style elements, for instance, it should do well. You can have any glass tempered. The big problem with cabinet glass (as I discovered to my dismay!) is shipping, especially if the lengths are long. Do you live in or near a city? If so you can call around to see if anyone carries your glass. I first saw my glass at a place very near my house, but then they couldn't do it for some reason (I actually think "crazy" was in there somewhere). The cabinetmaker's glass guy wanted a humongous amount extra to have it tempered. Benheim, online, wanted the same amount because it would have to be crated and shipped by common carrier (like furniture) because it was too long for a parcel service. I had a very emotional week whining about it on GW. One of our members here was very helpful. He found a distributor within an hour's drive of me. Also that this pattern is all made by the same place no matter what the name and who sells it. I was in the middle of planning to use my GC to buy it (wholesale) but transport it myself to the temperer, when the GC had the thought that maybe he should ask his glass guys. (Ya think?) They were coming to install my BP backsplash (mirror), and they carry it, so they could just bring it instead of anyone doing any crating. Sigh. Such a simple answer! If you can't find a local shop that carries it, it might be best to let the cabinet company do it. They're crating and shipping your cabinets anyway. RE: Have You Ever Heard of a Glass Inset Falling Out of a Cabnt D Posted by cupofkindness (My Page) on Tue, Jun 22, 10 at 19:49 plllog: Everything you've said makes perfect sense. Thank you so much for taking the time to post. And Mama Goose, I love those mirrored cabinets, they are wonderful. However, in this small tub/toilet room, when you step out of the tub, there would be the mirrors, and I'm not sure if my girls would be comfortable with that. I'll ask them what they think. It's a great idea, mirrors add so much to any room. Growlery, you are right as well, the glass wouldn't just fall out of the doors one day, we would have some warning.... now why didn't I think of that? Thanks again to all of you for your comments and suggestions. I am grateful for each and every one of them. ~Cupofkindness RE: Have You Ever Heard of a Glass Inset Falling Out of a Cabnt D Posted by vickimp (My Page) on Tue, Jun 22, 10 at 19:57 Yes! It happened to us. We have a large TV wall unit with a couple of upper doors with glass inserts. They were held in with plastic clips. Over time, the plastic fatigued and one day my DH opened one of the doors and the glass fell out onto the carpet. If it had hit his foot, or one of our kids, it would have been trouble. In our kitchen, we ordered some of our cabinets with glass inset doors. They came with those same plastic clips. Besides the safety issue, I didn't like the way they looked, so I had our finish carpenter redo them by gluing the glass in and then micronailing in a strip of wood matching the cabinets. Shouldn't go anywhere....I hope. RE: Have You Ever Heard of a Glass Inset Falling Out of a Cabnt D Posted by cupofkindness (My Page) on Wed, Jun 23, 10 at 8:38 Vicki: Egads! I'm glad your husband did not get hurt. Was the glass tempered? I'm wondering if you can special order metal clips (those are what I remember seeing many years ago when I did my kitchen reno. The glass was held in place with rubber-tipped metal clips). Do you know what sort of glue your carpenter used? And the wood strip is a good idea as well... between the two I'm sure your glass is quite safe. I wonder what they did 100 years ago? Thanks again! RE: Have You Ever Heard of a Glass Inset Falling Out of a Cabnt D Posted by brickeyee (My Page) on Wed, Jun 23, 10 at 9:01 Very small quarter round was the standard for holding glass in cabinets for only a few hundred years. It still works very well. The only way for the glass to come out is if it is broken. In some cases you actually tape up the glass liberally, then break it if it needs to be removed. This makes it easier to salvage the thin strips without breaking them so they can be used again (important if they are finished to match). Plastic clips are an accident waiting to happen, as are any method that does not lock in as much of the edge as possible. RE: Have You Ever Heard of a Glass Inset Falling Out of a Cabnt D Posted by growlery (My Page) on Wed, Jun 23, 10 at 13:06 Yes, I have some pieces of old furniture that have quarter rounds holding the glass in. Glass has been in doors and windows for a long, long time. Get good hardware, give everything a little wiggle every once in awhile to check it's in good condition, and there are many, many more things you do every day without thought that are more likely to hurt you, unfortunately. I believe, if this is really troubling you though, there is a 3M security product that is a film, essentially like a large sheet of, I don't know, tape or sticky Saranwrap, that you apply to glass, like doors. It advertises itself as being perfectly transparent, but is apparently not quite enough so for most homeowners. It probably gets blurry and little bubbles etc. But for your purposes, stuck to the back of a textured glass, it might be worth looking into. If someone did smash the glass, it would keep it most/all stick to the film, not loose. It might be a small investment in peace of mind. RE: Have You Ever Heard of a Glass Inset Falling Out of a Cabnt D Posted by brickeyee (My Page) on Wed, Jun 23, 10 at 16:02 "If someone did smash the glass, it would keep it most/all stick to the film, not loose. It might be a small investment in peace of mind. " It is not going to help much if an entire pane of glass slips out and falls on your foot. RE: Have You Ever Heard of a Glass Inset Falling Out of a Cabnt D Posted by cupofkindness (My Page) on Thu, Jun 24, 10 at 9:21 My thanks to everyone for your replies and all of this helpful information. I'm going to the glass shop today to see what they offer in patterned and tempered glass. I'll keep you posted.

@Sandy1616... Just so you know, those Finish Tablets don't include a dramatic amount of Phosphate, compared to what we had in american detergents. Because Sodium TripolyPhosphate or Sodium Hexmetaphosphate is non-toxic, detergent manufacturers never listed it on the boxes in the United States. They we're however required to list "Phosphorus Content".. under Federal Law, but... that didn't really give a clear indicator. An Electrasol Tab containing 8.7% Phosphorus, is about 33% STPP by weight. I don't have exact figures on hand for each phosphorus level on this computer, but I will have to post them at some point. I really, really want to make a point of telling this. Cascade & Electrasol had a lot more than "6-7% Phosphate". Complexing Phosphates we're the Builders & Main Ingredients in these Automatic DW Formulations. They we're Powerhouses because they we're formulated with enough Phosphate to preform. I say this because you shouldn't expect a dramatic difference between Phosphate Somat & Phosphate Cascade. Both *have* about the same amounts of STPP in them.

Rhipsalis are very cool plants (but then all tropical cactus are, aren't they?). I don't know how many there are, and I've only grown the chicken foot cactus (I agree, an excellent common name that should be adopted by ICZN immediately) species, but I hope you get to collect them all, Shenue, and recreate the dryish-sometimes jungle for them. BTW, most cactus which have been in cultivation for a while often have several names - Rhipsalis is one of them, and as you've seen, there are several others.

Didn’t read the responses but yes the demos are impressive. Loved the vacuum and the spot cleaner. They literally put water from my sink onto a stain I was unable to get out of carpet and got it out very effortlessly. Even though it was a fantastic cleaner I thought it was cumbersome to use. (They left me test it all over the house.). I don’t like to drag behind canisters. I don’t want to store one somewhere either. That‘s a lot of space in a closet. I don’t want to look at it in a corner while it’s doing the water air purifier thing. I actually wouldn’t even use that because we have air purifiers we bought because of DS2 allergies and they work great. (Actually there was basically no lint/dust in the air for that part of the demo thanks to our purifiers.) It’s clunky. I think the price is awful. We were quoted $2999. Ten year warranty is great but knock the price down and the warranty if need be. Shouldn’t be more than $1500 at most IMO. I don’t know how I came up with that number but it feels better to me. I also bet they’d sell more units. Maybe they want people to ‘work it off’ so they can try and sell more. Speaking of the actual demo we were helping a relative get demos in. She came with the higher up sales guy she got one through. You can pay outright or ‘work It off’ by getting so many shows in x amount of time. Not sure what happens if you fail. Maybe pay even more?? Most people must take the second option. The demo was to take 1.5 hours. They were here over 3. I didn’t mind the demo up until things got pushy. At that point it was after 10 at night and we needed to go pick up our kids! Even after we said about it we heard sorry but the guy continued with his push to get us to buy. Then of course on the phone with his higher up. He insisted us working if off was the best thing for us though it absolutely wouldn’t work for our schedules even if we wanted to. We had already explained that in detail too. He then asked what kind of vehicles we drove and went down a weird scenario path about getting baby sitters if the car would be paid for ... I tuned him out at that point, interrupted and we had to be very direct and stern. He kept flinging different offers at us. I hate haggling. Just give me your best price from the start and we’ll decide if we want to pay it. Also, they have to show it to a couple. It couldn’t just be shown to me or DH. There was a whole list of criteria in order for them to be able to give a demo. We got a free rain mate with it. I like the noise and what it does but don’t like looking at it on my counter or anywhere. It’s in a closet cause DH wants to keep it .... Yes they clean but are clunky and the sales push was awful. The sales guy on the phone was acting awful. Interesting how something can work really great but you remember the bad thing from an experience. Had there not been such a strong push I‘d probably be talking more positive about their vacuums and my experience. They should have a rental option actually. The vacuums would have to be cleaned out and disinfected with each user though.