WoW!!! This has really taken a negative direction between two of KT's finest! Well, I'm not here alot but I think I gotta chime in! What I have to say maybe nothing more than rambling..be forewarned! LOL!! The age old battle of losing weight. I'M AN EXPERT at trying!!! I don't have a clue what it's like to have only 5-10 lbs. to lose. Nope it's a whole lot more than that. So, I can't identify with Flamey. I don't know what it's like to lose 150 lbs., so I can't identify with Granlan either(I honestly wish I could).But I can identify with Gran on this. I also know peeps that will spit and sputter about 5-10 lbs. just to fish for compliments and those peeps after about the second time, will fall off my radar screen. I don't think Flamey was doing that or rubbing this in anyone's nose. If she feels comfortable weighing 5-10 lbs. less, then that is her choice. I think her original point was just letting others know about this TV show and discussing it. Yet on the other hand Gran, I don't think anyone here including myself know how hard you worked and the determination it took to achieve what you did. I too kind of think that the peeps that have 5-10 lbs. to lose, aren't struggling half as much as those of us who have 100 or more lbs. to lose. Heck, half of their excess could even be the dreaded 'water weight' that we all know and have heard about. But there again, I have never been in their shoes. But they also have never been in the situation of having to lose a vast amount of weight. So, I honestly think nobody knows the others personal challenges and battles they are fighting. What one sees as a mere drop in the bucket, someone else might see it as insurmountable. But my words to Flamey and others, realize that Gran and I and possibly others do think that sometimes thin people just don't seem to understand that 5-10 lbs. does sound petty to those of us who have/need to lose 10 times that. And yes, I would bet that those of us who do need to lose that amount of weight have kicked ourselves many times over for not dealing with this when it was only 5-10 lbs. We have beaten ourselves up over this time and time again and anybody who looks at us know we need to lose weight, yet looking at Flamey, we can't see that through the same eyes as you do. We can't comprehend the magnitude of their obsession with those few lbs. So, Gran, I can identify and understand what you meant in your original post to Flamey.

I think both Mark and Kelly have shown some real growth this season. I believe that Mark learned something when he went home and got to see himself the way others see him. If he's faking all the tears and softness, he deserves an Academy Award. As soon as Kelly weighed in this week and knocked him below the yellow line, he still yelled out a 'good job Kelly'. And trust me, I despised him earlier on. I don't like Roger at all and it doesn't seem like the other contestants or the host think much about him either. Maybe Dan idolized him but the maturity level on the ranch skyrocketed after Dan left and Roger didn't have anyone left buying and selling his fratboy/college football player malarkey. I think he's a bully but since he's always been a candidate to be the BL due to his size, he was given a soft edit. I think they need to reconsider what makes the BL the BL. By going just by percentage, it's unfair to those contestants who just don't have as much to lose as others. That's why I kind of like the gameplay aspect of it (which was way overdone this season) since that's the only chance some of the other contestants have but when it comes down to the final 3 or 4, there's an unfair playing field since the smaller players just can't lose the same percentage of weight and still be, well, alive and well.

I have been watching since the day BB premiered and I follow the live feed posts at TV Clubhouse. I feel the same as you all and I too was surprised at the disclaimer they showed this week. Aaryn is a mean girl all the way. I know she apologized to Candace but it wasn't real or genuine and to use the excuse "I am from the South, I don't mean what I say" bs.... I wish Howard did not lie to Helen and it may come back to haunt him. My favourite players are Amanda and McRae and Andy- he reminds me of a bunny rabbit for some reason. I wish I was a fly on the wall when the mean players are done with the show and get to watch themselves in the game. I was so looking forward to this season and sitting on my couch and following the happenings in the house on the internet because so much more goes on behind the scenes than what they show on tv. With this By-Election I am working on I am missing the shows on tv and have to watch the next day online.

It wasn't on here in Canada. Did flip throught but not nothing. I don't want to watch it anyways. Don't feel its right seeing an unbalanced mom getting tons of money for doing something she shouldn't be doing. Those kids, all of them need loving caring homes with balanced parents who can care for them. Yes, the parents have done too much to make her that way. And as for Jon and Kate, I used to like watching their show but as time went on, got tired of the screaming from Kate. Seeing Jon miserable and unhappy and harrassed. Seeing the kids being hauled around, made to wear clothes for show when going out somewhere. And now being a single parent, its all talk about her and what she must do for her kids and will and blah, blah, again all about Kate. Its the kids I feel sorry for in both families. And why they continue on Jon and Kate show is beyond me. People do not watch to watch those two. And the show are ones they did way back, like the kitchen being redone, the cupboards it said it was January 2009. And I read on yahoo news that Kate went after Jon for the babysitter he chose. Can you believe that these kids have all kinds of different babysitters,etc. looking after them. parents bouncing back and forth and Jon locking the gates on their mom so she couldn't get in after the baby sitter. I go unreal, who wants to watch their show? Its not about the kids anymore, its about Kate and Jon and which one is telling the truth and who said what and on and on. I don't like Octomom at all and I don't want to see it at all.