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Survivor begins Sep 24th

12 years ago

Just a reminder that Survivor starts tonight. In the east in the TV Guide it shows it's on from 8pm to 9:31pm. I hope it's a good season.

Shirley

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katlan
12 years ago
Can't. Wait!!!!!! I promise I won't do any spoilers for people in different time zones.
matti5
12 years ago
I am looking forward to it!! happy that there are no returning players, although there are a few familiar faces, including the sisters from Amazing Race who drove me crazy lol
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sushipup1
12 years ago
And the Amazing Race starts on a new night, Friday!
glenda_al
12 years ago
I'm ready!
gadgets
Original Author
12 years ago
Sushipup: I'm glad they changed Amazing Race from Sunday to Friday. Football was always messing up the start time.

Shirley
katlan
12 years ago
So what's the deal with putting people on Survivor that were already on the Amazing Race? They did that with another couple didn't they? Why? Are there not thousands and thousands of people trying to get on this show that we can't have totally "new" never before seen people? I know they had Boston Rob (gag, lol) and Amber on Amazing Race.......

Anyhow, I think that challenge for immunity was major. So many different parts to it, so much physical challenge to it, I thought it was huge for an opener. It was great.

I'm o.k. with who went home.
glenda_al
12 years ago
Glad the twin went home.
shelly_seattle
12 years ago
Well I guess I don't need to watch it now since Glenda just told us on the West coast who gets voted off.
Not everyone is in the same time zone as you are Glenda
Charlee_MO
12 years ago
I thought it was good. And I'm also good with who went home.

Shelly, you don't know which twin it was-now do you? I'm sure Glenda didn't mean to spoil that part of it. She surely didn't spoil the whole show.
wanda_va
12 years ago
I was thrilled with the vote! Hope the loved one goes next.

It was a good show, and hope it makes for a good season.
sleeperblues
12 years ago
I was OK with the twin going home. I thought her comments toward the guy calling him one of the girls was obnoxious. That challenge was epic--very physical. I thought everyone did really well on it, though. Good teamwork. It seems to be a very congenial group for now. I can see John Rocker (?) causing some drama in the future. He seems to be one of those "legends in his own mind" kind of guys.
matti5
12 years ago
Thrilled the twin was voted out. I had a very hard time watching them on Amazing Race. Her comment calling the gay guy a girl was totally inappropriate. Neither one of the twins have a filter.

Good challenges, good team and a good start to the season!
FlamingO in AR
12 years ago
I like the twins, they have upbeat attitudes when they aren't bickering with each other and since they were split up, they couldn't hardly do that. I didn't agree with her comments to/about the gay guy, but he should have told her that it wasn't right instead of just letting it slide. Educate the ignorant, how else will they learn? And remember that one gay guy, the racist one? He called himself a girl all the time, and acted even more girly than the real women did. Colton, that was his name. So it's easier to see why some people could think that way.

Anyway, I'm sorry Nadiya got voted off. I didn't want any of them to go, though. And so much for the all-girl alliance, that won't be happening now.

Good for "old" Dale for nabbing that emblem/HII off the water well lid! And for making fire. I hope that he realizes it's a HII before it's too late.
susanjf_gw
12 years ago
she didn't have a chance since they felt she was "experienced"..but amazing race is a far cry different from survivor..

the timing is going to be hard..will have to catch up on the new tv shows on demand...
SunnyDJ
12 years ago
I, too am glad with the results....Not sure if I care for John Rocker. Who cares if he played baseball, last time I looked, they looked like ordinary men to me, except for their pay checks, lol....What about the model? And that strutting around in underwear makes me want to gag......But, I'm sure it's going to be a good season....I love this show!
ravencajun Zone 8b TX
12 years ago
I was happy with the first show and the vote off was a relief for me, I just don't care for them, they have show how rude and ruthless they can be in Amazing Race. The people on her team that brought up that info about her were spot on.
The challenge was a very difficult one, I just hope there are not any bad injuries this season.
That poor guys eyes were making mine hurt! Many of those plants sap contain latex I bet he has a latex allergy.
foggyj
12 years ago
That's what I was thinking raven. A latex allergy. It didn't seem to affect others, like a "poison" would have.
phoggie
12 years ago
Best night on TV! Finale of Big Brother and the starting of Survivor...and Amazing Race starts Friday! I can not believe I get so wrapped up in these shows....but it gives me something to discuss with my kids.
glenda_al
12 years ago
My apology. I certainlydidn't mean to be a spoiler.

Thought it was late enough that all had seen.

Next time I PROMISE to zip my lip!
sushipup1
12 years ago
Here's Dalton's recap

Here is a link that might be useful: Survivor recap 9/24
moonie_57 (8 NC)
12 years ago
I'm probably one of the few that care that John Rocker was a baseball player. We are huge Braves fans and he was THE closer of all times! That's not in his head... that's in Atlanta Brave fans heads! lol

However, as a human being, he's not all that. :)

Glenda - don't feel too badly. Anyone should be very careful if they don't want to read a spoiler knowing that something could already be posted. I'm one to be "looking" with my eyes closed but then just can't help but a little peek. lol

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