Hi Kids, Sorry, I did not think to include the link. Thank you, enjoyingspring for taking care of my error. sooey

I played once and got all eight tracks - I'm quitting while I'm ahead!

Good pic! Konrad

I think the choice of how one trains a climber is a personal decision, based on individual taste. You might get more laterals on a cane trained more horizontally, but a fan-shape might just look more graceful in some situations (it mimics the shape of an arching rose bush left wild more closely than one trained strictly horizontally). There is no one way to do this, which makes things more interesting! When training a rose in a fan shape, I'd focus on getting the fan wide enough to get the canes at an angle -- not letting them be "mostly vertical" as you state above. Does that make sense? The trellis is just a support -- the rose itself doesn't have to exactly follow the lines of the trellis.