moja - what lead you to the conclusion that BSH was sourcing their coffee machines from Electrolux? The machines don't look at all similar to me, and certainly not a direct re- badge. Also, it would be VERY uncharacteristic of a huge multi-national like Bosch going to another for something they could do in house. Now the machines under the Bosch, Gaggenau and Thermador labels are petty much the same unit sans badges. I'm also thinking that the BSH offerings were around long before Electrolux even offered a system for sale. Thinking I put one in or project manager's condo around 05' when they had just come out. FWIW - Dacor's unit was made for them by Kuppersbusch and it looks to me like the Elux one is very very similar to it right down to 8 selection buttons with exactly the same features butoon for button. Perhaps the biggest giveaway in my mind is the blue lighting they all share. No one else's units have that and it's kinda been a signature look of Kuppersbusch fro the start. I'll also hazzard a guess that Elux may well bring in a unit from their AEG division to take this thing's place. I'm supposing it's a UL approval issue, and Kbusch has long rebadged their units for others and has UL approval already in place.

Wow....what great response and so many opinions! Thanks for everyone's advice. The reason I decided upon a built-in coffee unit is that the developer for the high end condo unit that I am purchasing has allowed me input into the kitchen design, errorously put a microwave cabinet on the wall over the built up breakfast bar...no one noticed that the planned microwave oven door would have opened the wrong way!! You would have to walk around the breakfast bar to open the microway door! (The adjoining condo because it is the reverse of mine doesn't have the problem as the door opens into the kitchen.) It seems that no one makes microwave doors that open to the right not the left!! Because the glass tile backsplash and outlets were already installed it was easier/cheaper to install another microwave wall cabinet elsewhere in the kitchen. that allows me to install a unit like the Miele coffee system in the space formerly designed for the microwave oven. But the Keurig coffee maker sounds like a great idea as I can put it in that cabinet space (not built in) for a few months while I decide if I like the coffee pod idea. I'm single so having a single cup of coffee is appealing as I throw away so much unused coffee. If I like the unit, it can help me make the decision. Or I could put the Keurig unit on the counter and install a steam oven in the space instead which is also another option I've been thinking about. So many decisions as I want this kitchen to be special. I'll post pictures when it is done. A built in microwave plus a built in coffee maker or steam oven really could really look great. Here is a link to the Miele coffee systems. thanks all -- additional comments are welcome Here is a link that might be useful: Miele Coffee Systems (Capsule)

I don't have one but I have used the one at my appliance store enough - just about everytime I'm there (every week at least, since April). How low will you place it? Of course the one at the store is nearly counter height, and it looks beautiful. I would think that if it is too low though, you may have difficulty with spills and whatnot. Also, I'm not sure if having it too low might impact plumbing problems (pleading ignorance here because not sure if they are plumbed, but I think so.) I absolutely love the one at the store - Thermadore. Sorry I don't have much install info at the lower heights. I just know that it looks very nice and I love using it. I hope you can work one into your plan.

Judy, We ended up changing things around. We lowered the XXL steam oven so that it ended at 42" AFF, allowing us to put a full size drawer below it and started the coffee maker at 42", ending at 60". This allowed us to put a very usable cabinet above the coffee maker with two sliders so that we could reach the back of what would now be a 24" deep cabinet. As with everything it is trade-offs. I think if there were no other considerations at all the ideal height is more or less 42" to 60" and my thought was that bending a bit to use the oven was worth having the coffee maker easily accessible and in optimal location. Having said that, I think ending it at 6' is perfectly fine and if we had gone w/ the regular 18" size oven I am sure we would have done that. Once we went to 24", cabinet wise, it was much easier to either do one full size cabinet below (ending coffee maker at 5') or to keep the oven at counter height and end the coffee maker at 6'-6", which by all accounts was too high. In between was problematic.