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Accessibility in the kitchen?

lavender_lass
13 years ago

This is something that isn't talked about, usually, unless someone has a family member, who is in a wheelchair. But, what about visiting friends, elderly relatives with walkers, etc.?

One advantage to a table, over an island, is that it's the right height for sitting...and move a chair and a wheelchair can easily be part of the conversation. If you have a couple of chairs, with arms, nearby...it's also easier for older people to stand up, again.

I didn't really think about these things until, first, a good friend/neighbor moved in by my mom's old house, and she was in a wheelchair. She was an excellent cook, and I can still remember her cabbage rolls! Yum :) She liked to come visit, but my mom had stairs to the front and back, so without someone to help lift her wheelchair, we usually went to visit her.

About five years later, my grandmother started having a harder time getting up from chairs and eventually ended up using a walker. She never would have been able to get up on a bar stool.

So, I guess if you have a table in the kitchen, an island is fine, but if all you have is the island...something to think about. I also like a table in the center, because you can slide it out of the way, if you need more than 3' or 4' for someone in a wheelchair, to help with cooking.

Maybe this doesn't apply, but just something to think about...especially if your "dream home" is going to be a home you plan to stay in for a long time :)

Comments (11)

  • plllog
    13 years ago

    Lavender,

    One of my priorities was having a table height area, out of the traffic pattern, for my mother to sit comfortably at and be able to help, rather than feeling like she was in the way. Even for people without disability level mobility issues, island seating can be a no-go! I needed the island, so had a flip down table built on to the back of it. That makes the (not too busy) walkway serve double duty for walking and seating too, effectively making my kitchen a bit bigger. You can also put in an old fashioned pull-out cutting board to be a work surface to extend over the knees of a wheelchair bound person. Just make sure it's not too high.

    Another important thing to address for accessibility is aisle size. A lot of members are trying to eek more out of their kitchens with barely wide enough aisles. These are very difficult, especially at the corners, for people in wheelchairs to navigate, and don't really leave them enough room to open drawers and cupboards.

    "Topless" kitchens are great universal design, even though they limit storage. Blum servo openers are good for people with limited hand/arm strength and mobility.

    An important consideration for people with stacked cabinets is to keep in mind who will be able to climb the ladder for how long. :) I hope to be as agile as an acquaintance who's 30 years older than I, when I reach her age, and still able to run up and down a ladder...

  • lavender_lass
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    I know what you mean. When people say you can have three feet between the island and counter, it makes me feel claustrophobic. Maybe it's because I'm tall (5'10") but I like to have a lot of space in the walkways. With a table, I can slide it over, if I'm feeling a little too cramped :)

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  • desertsteph
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    "She never would have been able to get up on a bar stool. "

    me either! those who remodel should at least allow the space in case doorways have to be enlarged at a later time.

    nancy - didn't know you had fibro - I do also. so does my sister. i got lots of tips from her after they built a home about 2 yrs ago. the lever handles and 1 handle faucets are 2 of them! also the deep projection on cabinets handles.

    many other things concern ease of cleaning and access. my kitchen isn't big - but that's good. the 'stove', sink and refridge are w/in feet of each other. I'm still gonna try to figure how I can raise the dw!

    also, a separate shower from tub. no climbing over a tub side!

    vinyl flooring and laminate counters for me - I drop things all of the time! I lose my grip on things. sometimes things just jump out of my hands - lol! my poor sister keeps dropping things and breaking them - they have tile floors and granite counters. She was very sick at the time so her dh put those in. he is chief cook now so she didn't mind that he put those in the kitchen but regrets tile in the other rooms.

    I love islands but will have my table in the kitchen. I can sit down then to chop or mix if needed or if I get tired I can just sit down and rest. no way could I manage getting up or down on a stool!

    also, my place is bigger than I really would need but that extra space I want in case I ever do need a wheelchair or walker. my furniture can be more spread out and allow room to get around.

    the ease of cleaning and use are priorities now, not what is trendy or even what I might 'really' like to have in it.

    the need for extra space in the kitchen doesn't even need to come from a long term disability - it can be from an injury like broken leg - or kneecap (as I had a few yrs back). getting around on crutches or a walker requires some extra space if you have to fend for yourself!

  • skyedog
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  • lyvia
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    I have always hated barstools because of my short legs. I'm hoping to squeeze in a 30 inch round table and two small chairs in a corner, which can be a work station for some things, and a way to sit for a minute without leaving the room. I should put in a mirror so you can see the stovetop from the seats - did I see that on GW somewhere? Maybe even a webcam so you can see it from upstairs.

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    Now if I could only find my glasses ...

  • plllog
    13 years ago

    Lyvia,

    Most induction cooktops have auto-shutoffs. They have boil over sensors which shut off the whole unit, and shut themselves off after being left alone for 4 hours (and most have "Sabbath mode to disable the 4 hour shutoff). Some also have "true timers" which allow you to set a certain number of minutes for an element to work and then shut off.

    Your bear on a string sounds interesting, but what if you forget to set it?

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  • doraville
    13 years ago

    I had to consider my mother's needs when designing the kitchen and choosing appliances. A french door refrig was out for me and I needed a countertop next to the frig so that my mom could lean into the frig and easily put things on the counter. This would have been impossible with double dooors.

  • desertsteph
    13 years ago

    "I should put in a mirror so you can see the stovetop from the seats - did I see that on GW somewhere? "

    that's a good idea!

    we need a blinking light in the kitchen doorway...I'll have 2 doorways and 1 whole side of it open tho.