"Our local store rec'd the Electrolux Q50 series. Though reviewed.com loves this machine I'm having a difficult time finding owner feedback. I was told this was Italian time-tested technology, just now brought to the US. And the orbit clean has just come out of patent, but is also not "new". Any leads on further information?" The Frigidaire FPID/FGID and Electrolux EI24ID/EW24ID (including the 50QS) are brand new and seem to be a redesign from the ground up. Electrolux did not have a great reputation for dishwashers in the past; owners complained of poor washability and reliability. However, it's very possible this new line is great and exactly what they needed. You certainly won't find any user reviews at this point, though. If you buy one, let us know what you think! The only real "proven" dishwashers on the market right now are Maytag and the Euro manufacturers Bosch, Miele, and Asko. Although Maytag is a Whirlpool brand, they still use the previous generation Point Voyager tall tub wash system that works well. Whirlpool has transitioned the rest of their brands including KA to the "Global Wash System" which supposedly is quieter and uses less water but is unproven. GE and Electrolux/Frigidaire just introduced complete redesigns, presumably because their previous offerings weren't so great. Those are also unproven.

Hmmm...not sure how ours is secured. Wondering if it is! Just want to mention something about the options with these. From my understanding, there are three versions: completely manual, soft close, and automatic. Our friend has the automatic one and it drives me crazy how slow it is. You have to push a button and wait for it to come out, and the same to go in. I'm too impatient! So we got the completely manual one. Though I love it, the only problem with it is that you have to be careful when closing it if you have something like a full cup of coffee in there. It's not a completely smooth close and sometimes liquid sloshes out. If I did it again, I might go for the soft close. That one you still pull the handle instead of pushing a button, but it makes the opening and closing smoother (automatic) from what I understand. The only drawback is that I know some people have had trouble with the auto function failing, and if it's manual you never have to worry about that. This was one of our splurges and I'm really glad we did it. It's especially great for our kids, and nice for us to have it in the island without having to bend down.

I remember reading that thread too, and I'll look for it in a minute. I *thought* I avoided the issue because I had my warming drawer specs to my cabinet maker in advance, and I had the warming drawer on site when my cabinet maker did final measurements. Even so, when we installed the Dacor (iwo27?) warming drawer, the panel was not flush by about 1/4. The appliance installer said this is a very very common problem. He doesn't understand why, but he said he suspects the appliance specs are to blame. My cabinet maker was very surprised to hear this, btw. We ended up having to have the appliance installer cut a section of the back of my cabinet to make it flush. We had plenty of depth in that area. If I had it to do again, I'd have the cabinet maker add 1" to whatever he thinks he needs (assuming you have the space to spare). Anita

Our KA never worked well from Day 1. [KUDS03STSS - KitchenAid Architect Series II] I had to wash everything on "Heavy Duty" to have a hope that most things would come out clean. I don't know if we ever had a load of completely clean dishes! That said, it was from 2008. They may have improved since then, but I have no desire to try again! When that DW finally died my DH told me to pick the next one as he had picked the KA that we both hated! He told me to "check with the Forum"! :-) We replaced it with a Bosch 800-series. It is so much better! It has the third rack, if you like that for silverware (I don't - we also store our silverware at it's point of use, not next to the DW), but it also has two baskets (that attach to each other or that can be separate.) I use the third rack for shallow items that often get turned over and filled with water when they're on the other racks - e.g., measuring cups. My DH was dubious about the lack of a drying element, but if you leave it closed for awhile, everything except the plastics dries quickly. I've never had a DW that did a good job of drying plastics, so it's no different. As an added bonus, I don't have to worry about "top rack only" dishes - they can go anywhere!