Ridiculous, especially in a remodeled or new kitchen.

It will be extremely difficult to plumb. You would have to do a standpipe like in a laundry. Ergonomically, it would involve a lot of twisting and turning that would be difficult on your back. It would also involve a lot of dripping across your floor which would make for more cleaning as well as a safety hazard.

Messy and difficult... Maybe in an adjacent run, so at 90 degrees to the sink with the right spacing, but I'd never want the dw across the aisle from the sink. I don't remember a reason for this need in your plan, so what's up?

Thanks, I figured it was ridiculous. :)

Rhome, when measuring, the cabinet maker told DH and I that we needed to raise our existing cabinets 1" because our floors are 1" thicker than what was taken out.

We have 60" window that goes to the counter, and our counters will be 1/2 to 1" thicker than the laminate. SO, it means new window, outside brick work, blah blah blah.
DH thinks we could work around the counter issue if we didn't raise the cabinets. What about a tall dishwasher drawer there, and another over in the baking area? The baking area is new so it wouldn't be an issue there.

At this point, I'm just thinking TIME, added expense, work, trouble.

I was watching this show called "Celebrities at Home" and they had a kitchen on there that had the DW across from the sink. I actually had to go back and pause it to make sure I'd seen it right. I just can't see any scenario where it would be a good idea. In my mind, you'd do it because it was the "easiest" or "cheapest" way to do your kitchen and then you'd spend the next 15 years lamenting the fact that you did it in the first place.

The owner of this kitchen was going on and on about her new kitchen and, IMHO, it was a disaster! Besides the DW being across from the sink, she had a long narrow barrier island with the cooktop shoved all the way to the far end so she had maybe 4-5" of counter to the left of the cooktop. Yikes!

Not to hijack this thread, but this may be my new favorite show. The other episode that I watched showed the owner talking about how bullet proof her Corian counters were and how she could just take anything out of the oven and set them right on the counter. Hmmmm . . . . . cooks a lot does she?

Hard to use. Don't know why anyone would want this in their home. You'll be breaking your back twisting and turning to the DW from rinsing the dishes off in the sink. I'm with rhome on this one.

Poohpup, I watch that as well! Shows some pretty interesting homes. It's amazing how much you learn on GW, I even find myself finding design mistakes in the kitchens. LOL Saw one where the oven was on the end of the cabinet run and about 6 to 8 feet to the closest landing. Caught myself saying, "what's up with that?"

For about two seconds I thought about doing the raised DW, but no, wouldn't work.

DH is one who has to do everything meticulously, and I'm afraid he's going to want to raise them, I just want to find another solution because I'm tired of the time ticking away.

But, definitely not across, I won't do that.

It can be hard to be patient, but remember that what you are doing is for the long haul. It will be a long time (if ever) before you do it again, and anything you have to change gets more expensive later, so take the time to do it right and be sure about it. Added days, weeks, even if they trickle into months, are nothing compared to years of uninterrupted happiness later. It really is worth it.

Well, it would work if you put a sink with it, presumably? I don't do massive amounts of rinse-and-put-in-dishwasher, the dishwasher takes care of most things that don't get scraped into the trash. Perhaps there's some reason you want a small sink (big enough to rinse a plate?) over in the new area?

If you think about it, modern dishwashers don't have anything to do with sinks (except for plumbing, which is kind of a biggie). We are supposed to scrape, not rinse, so (aside from that plumbing thing) DWs and sinks no longer need to be neighbors.

Of course I still throw everything in the sinks so it's all theoretical to me, but it could work. In theory at least.

But I don't recommend it.

With a separate drain to the basement, a DW can be installed across from the countertop that has the one and only sink.

If you don't rinse much, you won't have wet things in the first place, spilling drips of water as they cross the aisle.

So, it can be. Just in case anyone needs to know. This is information, not a recommendation.

I think Lascatx will back me up... Having dishwashers in 2 different areas doesn't work well. Think about when you have all the family there, and you have to load part by the sink and haul the rest to the baking room? I tried it with a full size dw in the kitchen and one in the dining room buffet. It was a miserable failure.

I could actually see in your case, that a dw or dw drawer in the baking area might be very helpful, because it's so far away and because baking tends to have small and large objects for a decent fit when loading, but I'd still want a full size dw by the main sink.

1" floors are thick!

I'm definitely a rinser. I have a SIL who thinks it's crazy to rinse, why would you clean your dishes before you put them in the DW? I don't know, I just do.

DH is out of town right now, but I'm sure he will override me on the cabinet issue. I'm worried about raising the cabinets that much closer to the uppers as well. It would allow only 16" between counter and upper.

We DO have a sink in the baking area, so do you think that would be sufficient to solve the problem? Use a Tall Dish-drawer at the clean up, for plates, silverware, cups, and over at the baking, a regular size for serving bowls, mixing bowls, stuff like that? It would seem convenient anyway since that is the area where those things would be stored.

What about the range height issue? Would it matter that the range stick up an inch above the countertops?

Rhome, I cross post with you. So, having two in different areas is not a good idea? Hmm.

Does anyone know how the tall dishdrawers differ from the regular size drawers? Are they more spacious? I wonder how much less space they have than a regular size.

Rhome, yes, 1" is thick. Probably a mistake. Wood would be the same though, I think, because it would be 3/4". Right? We would be faced with the same problem? DH would hyperventilate if I changed the floors.

Part of the problem with rinsing is that it takes away the food that the enzymes work on, so your dw detergent won't work as well. It's a different kind of detergent than years ago. But I still wouldn't know how to have a dw NOT near the sink. After all, the sink is a good catch area, and I like to be able to wash my hands periodically as I scrape or deal with drippy things.

You are going to run into issues with things washed and stored at such great distances. But 2 dishwashers in different areas create different problems... I can pretty much guarantee that things will end up in the 'wrong' dishwasher, at least occasionally, because of trying to load both efficiently.

--If you have one that's full but still have dirty dishes sitting in that area, and the other dw is only partly full, you're probably going to want to run the dishes over to the other one in order to get both in operation and get everything cleaned up. Or you have all big things in one area, and all small in another, and to load a dw to capacity, you do best with a mix of both... So some things go from point A to point B, and vice versa. ---Then, you want a utensil or a bowl, and where is it? You first check the storage spot and then you search both dishwashers. If they are next to each other, it's no big deal. If one is around the island and into the other little room, it's a pain. Been there, done it, and won't again.

But again, I would allow in your particular case, that you might manage to fill a dishwasher with your baking items and might benefit from a dw in there... and could do it if you were strict with yourself about keeping the utensils and pans in that area and in that dishwasher. It MIGHT work. However, I'm pretty convinced you need a full dw or 2 dw drawers in the cleanup area to handle dishes and the cooking utensils from the stove.

But I'm a little confused. Now are you considering leaving the counters at 35"? I don't think it'll be a huge deal with the range.

Show us your plan again, so we can see your window issue.

Thanks Rhome and all. First pic is the layout as it stands now, may still need to be tweaked, but we have been working on other things so it hasn't come up. Second picture is of the window as it was when we started, (still is now, except floor is out) Tile on floor was less than 1/2"

Plan now:

Picture of window:

How about just a raised dw at the end of the sink run, after you clear the window? Make it look intentional, and not a big change to your plans. Supposed to be better for your back, anyway. :-)

Rhome, would that not be too far from the sink? We are replacing the sink with a 33 or 36", what would I put between the sink and DW?

I gave that a thought for a second, even showed DH some pictures from HOUZZ, but was visualizing DW next to sink, then bank of drawers, and that wouldn't look good. On the end, it would probably look fine, intentional, and a good way to finish off the cabinet run.

The soffit is gone, and a beam there now. Just about where upper cabinet ends, where crown molding was on soffit.

It's not my first choice to have something between the sink and dw, but it's better than across the aisle or across the room, and I know Melaska is planning it that way in order to get the dw up a bit, and still have room by the sink.

Here is a thread with pics of raised dw's here:

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg0501315425374.html

and here:

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg0312543918150.html

Thanks, I read those threads and an article that was attached to one. I think I'll look this weekend at specs on drawers and capacity vs full DW. DH is not liking the raised idea. I think he likes to work extra, or maybe he just wants to do it right. :)