help! code says tempered glass windows. any options for wui?
juniork
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help: builder says unable to get 8 ft. tall glass for bathroom
Comments (23)robotropolis, you should have good weather. It was gorgeous today! Where are you headed? I'm in the Tampa area. I grew up in Michigan though, so I've experienced plenty of freezing winters. :-) Hollysprings, that plant ledge is deleted in our plan. My thoughts were similar to yours. JenBL, I would not have been against lowering the ceiling if this could have been incorporated in the planning stages. Now, to lower the ceiling to 8 ft. means the ceiling is within 2 inches of the window, which seems to me like it would look low and weird. But maybe I'm wrong? And then how should the rest of the ceiling be framed? Still cathedral starting at 10 ft? Or cathedral but start it at 8 ft? It is really frustrating having this sprung on us last minute. Plus it is hard for me to visualize what it would look like....See MoreGlass shelves & doors -- tempered? non? plain? Lucite?
Comments (12)Thanks for the link to Bendheim. Nice to be able to see online the different options available in glass styles. I ended up getting Optix acrylic for the shelves, but still need glass for the doors. The Optix is pretty thick, I think it's 3/8 and the label claims it's much stronger than glass, so I don't think I'll have to worry about it bending. It was also much cheaper than plain glass -- I got four shelves out of one sheet for $43, but I needed an extra sheet for the additional two shelves, so it ended up at $86. Still much better than the quote of $120 for six shelves in plain glass. I'm going to try and see how it looks with the clear shelf liner to keep it from scratching. Berf and Igloochic, I love the glass you chose. And love those knobs Igloochic! I'll try checking into a stained glass place for the door glass. Thanks for all the replies!...See Moretempered window issue - can this window be saved??
Comments (6)When it comes to glass issues, Oberon is the best in the business! Anytime I have a question on glass I go to him first. He's by far the Gospel in my book. The only things I can really add are from every day issues we deal with here in MN as a Licensed General Contractor (specializing in doors & windows). As noted above, it's not ever worth the short cut when safety is on the line. As Oberon pointed out above, "the laws are made for the safety of those in your home". I can personally support that rule, as I have a ten inch & three inch scar running up my right forearm from a broken plate glass window when I was 8 years old. It's not the falling shards that get you as much as the sharp pieces still in tact as your arm goes through the window. That pain wasn't as bad as the lecture I received from my Mother for using her brand new white display towels to stop the bleeding! Growing up in the 60's was a bit different than today!! She was more concerned about my safety at the time, but thought I should have used the red towels next to the white. We laugh about it all the time today!! Back to the issue at hand though. I also agree with Mike and Oberon about the unfortunate "Bait & Switch" tactic used in the sale of your window. I would definitely get down there and get in someone's face and stir the pot. Obviously somebody else came in and probably floated some extra cash to get the tempered units. Hopefully you have some paperwork from the sale stating you purchased the tempered unit. With you taking the tempered sticker and pictures during your purchase. You should bring them down to the owner and show him your proof of your visit. Since you stated they were a window manufacturer you can always make them replace the glass in the unit instead of taking one of the others. If you get no where with him the best way to make him think things out would be, calmly and patiently telling him that any legal action would cost you both more than the window is even worth. You could then somehow compromise on splitting the glass replacement fee to remedy the situation. I don't know how your window is laid out, but there is a quick cheap fix to bring your unit compliant under the International Residential Code. This is the code most of the states are using across the Nation. Since your window falls under the glazing category R308.4 - Hazardous Locations. Under the Exception rules at the end we always use Exception #5 - Which allows you to install a protective bar on the accessible side of the window 36" (+ or - 2") above the floor. The bar needs to be capable of withstanding a horizontal load of 50lbs per linear foot without contacting the glass & be a minimum of 1.5" in height. By installing this bar you come to code and save some money until you can afford to change out the glass. We use a decorative piece of 2" solid oak round stock and mount it inside the window jambs. It can be somewhat appealing if done right. Hope this helped and good luck!!!...See MoreMarvin replacements/tempered glass?
Comments (22)IBC and IRC enforcement is a local issue. Most jurisdictions have adopted these standards and thus, they are the law. If the building inspectors are not enforcing the code, they are also subjecting themselves and their localities to potential lawsuits and should be reported to the State Attorney General. I suspect most of these types of injuries receive an out of court settlement and therefore stay out of the newspapers. I can assure you that most people who had a child seriously injured and/or permanently scarred for life due to crashing into a window that was required to be tempered glass, would be looking for a very aggressive attorney to start filing lawsuits against any and everyone who was responsible....See Moremillworkman
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