I don't think it's Betty Boop or Betty Prior. Beyond that I'm not sure. I suspect something on soniarosa's list is probably what it is. If it isn't one of them it may be a Hybrid Musk of some sort. Could ypu post some pictures of the leaves, and of the overall appearance of the bush? That would probably help identify it.

Kim, today I read your entire article on HMF "I am NOT an expert" but I have to disagree, you really are!! After reading up on Renae I'm convinced that's what this rose is like you said, except it doesn't seem to have a strong desire to climb. Of course that's just for me, in my climate with my horticultural practices. Southern Louisiana is a very specific climate to grow in. I do think it's a great place for me to carry out my lifelong breeding goals since if a seedling can survive Louisiana's black spot infested humidity and heat it'll be off to a good start! Thanks for the good luck Judith! Also to anyone interested and curious, I have ripening hips on a couple of roses with this rose, 'Renae' as the pollen parent: a few of (Smooth Ballerina x Renae) and a lot of (Thomas Affleck x Renae). I bet those seedlings will be smooth as silk! I can't wait to one day share my creations with everyone!

Well, yes, I too was burned twice last year, my first year of trading. One was with the Cyber-Robin that was conducted on the GW. That person flat out never sent my plants. Told someone else on this forum that she sent them three times but they were always returned by the post office and she wasn't sending them again. Now the other 10+ people I traded with had the same address and all their boxes made it to my door. In fact at my little post office all you have to do is put my name and the name of the town on the box and they'll put it on my porch. They're really good folks at my post office so I figure if the person mailed it to KY at all it should have gotten to me. The other person I traded with we agreed to trade blooming size fans. That's what I sent her. When I opened her box my kids were looking at my face and they wanted to know what was wrong. Undoubtedly those plants were the smallest plants I've ever received. In fact they didn't bloom that year and four of the five didn't bloom this year. I still have no idea if I got what I traded for or not. In addition to that she didn't send one of the plants in that shipment and I had to e-mail her for well over a month before she sent the last one. Said she didn't send it in the original shipment because it was too small. Since it was tiny when I got it I can only imagine how small it was to begin with. I now pretty much limit my trading with a few select folks that I've traded with in the past. That and the Trademart on the AHS Robin. Now there's a class act. I've traded on there both this past spring and this fall and have been treated as good as you can get. Folks there are extremely generous and you in turn want to be as generous with them. Just a real fine group of traders. Janet

Great Treefrog, would you like a chump of my tomatoe stake plant (bamboo)? :-) It is really usefull around here.... I would love the papaya. If you still have any red sugar apple left I would like one. (This are self polynating right?, I already have one regular one growing, have not had fruit yet). What else can I bring for you? Veronika Tony, are those self polynating variety? I would not mind having 2 varieties growing. I may have a avocado seedling. It self started under our avocado tree, it is about 2ft now. Our tree is the large fruit with smooth skin, very very tasty!!! I will look at it more closely tomorrow and see if it can be dug up. This (I think) is the variety: http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/avocado-viewer/pages/Simmonds.htm