Ozonator and Salt System--do you need both?
jencjudd
14 years ago
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Comments (8)roarah..the OP was asking about ozone vs salt water...not salt water vs other means of chlorinating. The disadvantages of salt water pools have been debated ever since they became popular...on the web and within pool industry publications. From what I've learned over the years as a salt pool owner and avid pool hobbyist, all reported ill effects of salt pools could have been avoided by proper water chemistry maintenance and following common practices of pool construction (proper bonding of pool deck and equipment, avoiding the use of soft stone around the pool, installing the chlorinator downstream of the heater, etc). Not following these generally accepted practices will cause problems with any pool..salt or non-salt. I have yet to hear of any compelling case supporting salt pools as a root cause for significant problems in or around the pool. Regarding cost, I've done the math with our pool and it's about even. The money we save by not having to buy chlorine is offset by the initial cost of the salt system plus additions of salt to the pool. It's more a matter of convenience for us. We probably would have chosen salt even if the cost was higher than that of manual chlorination because of the convenience. After living with a salt pool, we're even bigger fans....automated chlorine dosing, consistent chlorine dosing, no more hassle with manual chlorine additions and gotta mention that smooth salt water feeling when swimming. We've had our salt pool for 5 years and clearly are big fans. By the way, the associated content dot com link above is misleading and inaccurate...especially the statements regarding scaling and corrosion. The statements regarding operation and efficiency have merit but can be mitigated if the use of a 2 speed or variable speed pump is used in combination with the salt system. That is why I asked the OP what type of pump is currently being used. If the OP has a single speed pump and is also interested in reducing monthly utility bills, then a 2 speed or variable speed would offer significant energy savings. These pump technologies also compliment salt water systems nicely due to longer run times at lower, more energy efficient speeds. Hope this helps....See MoreOzone pool filter ~ anyone have one ?? Love it ? Hate it?
Comments (10)A properly balanced pool will not smell. If you smell chlorine, it's fought something and a complete chem check is called for, especially free chlorine, combined chlorine, and cya. Something has happened and the pool is telling you it's sick. UV Ozone is different than straight UV. Straight UV is a specific light wave length generator disables a pathogen's ability to reproduce. UV Ozone generation creates ozone(O3) gas, a highly reactive and effective oxidizer that also can kill most pathogens. Both may reduce a system's chlorine demand, but neither is particularly cost effective with residential pools and neither will do anything in the main body of water where the vast majority of a pool's chlorine demand is needed and used. Both are only effective at the equipment pad. They can only supplement a sanitizer such as chlorine. Scott...See MoreOzone vs. Salt System
Comments (12)Well I didn't have any luck finding the web pages I found back then about the interaction of ozone and sodium bromide as the primary form of sanitization. Here's a copy/paste of what I did find """Protocol for total pool management is as follows. 1. Use of ozone as the primary disinfectant. 2. Use of sodium bromide as the secondary stable disinfectant. This is the natural constituent to sea water which can not act on its own. Needs the ozone to activate it. 3. Use of hydrogen peroxide for super oxidizing the pool. 4. Use of an algaecide if necessary. In an ozone treated pool, ozone activates sodium bromide to hypobromous acid. Ozone (O3) +Sodium Bromide equals Hypobromous Acid. Hypobromous acid is one powerful bactericide and is more powerful species than chlorine and more stable than Ozone. Hypobromous Acid +Organics equals Sodium bromide. Cycle is set up with the ozonation system in which the sodium bromide goes from the bromide to the hypobromous acid and then back to the bromide. In this way the bromide losses are minimized and one only has to add sodium bromide once each 6 month period to compensate for losses from backwashing""" What I liked about this set up was that it was a very hands off system which really delivered a very strong disinfectant, Because I have a very very large pool what I didn't like about the system was that there was no residual and I would have to circulate 24/7/365. I run 3 equipment sets and thought about dedicating one for the ozonator to handle it and let the other 2 run on normal daily cycles. I also didn't like the price of the commercial grade ozonator. I really didn't want a salt system because I have an Arizona flagstone which doesn't like salt systems and I didn't like the price of the 3 SWG's it would of taken to handle my pool size. So, I ended up with no system at all. Kind of stupid on my part, LOL!!! I use the BBB method, it's a daily regimen of adding bleach every morning and checking the balance of my chem's once weekly. I keep crystal clear water but can't miss a day of chlorinating because I run a low stabilizer PPM and my pool will grow algae almost instantly if I miss doing it. See ya, Kelly...See MoreUltraPure UV Ozone + PoolRx (mineral). Ever heard of this combo??
Comments (13)Hello Aquariuslady, I don't know if you've had your pool built by this point or not, but using an UltraPure Ozone Generator in combination with minerals is something that we have promoted for years with our 'Menu Management' approach. Let me explain a little about OUR Ozone system (it differs from most of our competitors). We manufacture our UV Ozone generators to install on the suction side of the pool pump. We pioneered this installation method years ago for the following reasons: 1. This is the highest pressure point of the pool's hydraulic system, ensuring that the Ozone is forced into the water. 2. By injecting the Ozone before the pump impeller, the bubbles are broken down to further increase their absorption into the water. 3. This method introduces the Ozone before the filter thereby using the filter as a reaction chamber giving more time for the 'live' Ozone to do it's oxidation job. This also degreases the filter in the process. 4. Most of the 'Ozone' bubbles you see at the pool returns will have reverted back to Oxygen by this point. Some of our competitors still use the 'pressure-side' venturi injection method to deliver the Ozone, which has none of the benefits listed above and very little absorption or contact time with the water. Using an UltraPure Ozone generator will reduce your Chlorine usage by between 65 to 80%. The reason you still need to maintain a Chlorine residual in addition to the Ozone is that Ozone is an oxidizer, not a sanitizer. The Ozone frees up the small amount of Chlorine needed to do the sanitation work, as the Ozone performs the oxidation. Also, when the pump is turned off Ozone is not being created to maintain any sort of residual. To dlcz, You are partially correct with your comments regarding UV Ozone with the following exceptions: 1. The 'air' passing through the system is Ozone gas, created by ambient air passing over the UV lamp(s). 2. Ozone is very adequate in pools as well as spas. We manufacture both pool and spa units covering a treatment range between 350-800 gallons of water (spa) and 15,000-70,000 gallons of water (pool). UltraPure Water Quality, Inc. has been in business since 1982 and we are the market leaders in residential ozone generators. Please feel free to contact me if you have any further questions. Thank you, Brian Richardson National Service Manager UltraPure Water Quality, Inc. 877-281-7603 ext. 237 Here is a link that might be useful: UltraPure Water Quality, Inc....See Morenatural_one
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