Are State Select water heaters good? How long/much to install?
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Drain pans - good for home, bad for water heater?
Comments (15)Previously I stated that a water heater TPRV(Temperature/Pressure Relief Valve) may not discharge into a drip pan and Funycide argued that the IPC(International Plumbing Code) will allow us to discharge the TPRV directly onto the floor. While that may seem like a contradiction in fact all three national plumbing codes, IPC, IRC & UPC will allow us to discharge a water heater TPRV directly on the floor, subject to some very specific conditions. If a water heater is installed in an attic, over a wood floor or over any floor that might be damaged by discharging water the TPRV valve is required to be piped to an approved indirect waste receptor. The approved indirect waste receptor may be a line extending outside the building or it may be a line discharging into a utility sink or floor drain. If the line is extended to a utility sink or floor drain the lowest portion of the discharge line must remain a minimum of 2" above the flood level rim of the sink or floor drain. If the line is extended outside the structure the discharge end of the line must terminate vertically downward. Under the IPC & IRC the discharge end must be within 6" above grade at the point of discharge. Under the UPC it may be within 6"-24" above grade. If a water heater is installed in an unfinished basement or crawl space the TPRV may discharge on the floor providing the basement or crawlspace is equipped with a floor drain or sump pump receptor. In instances where the water heater is installed in a basement or crawlspace below grade and where there is no floor drain or sump pump receptor the TPRC is to be removed and a WATTS 210 gas shutoff installed in its place. A pressure relief valve is to then be installed on the hot water distribution system at any convenient point above grade where the pressure relief valve can be discharged into an approved waste receptor. The diameter of the TPRV discharge line MUST remain equal to the diameter of the TPRV discharge outlet. Under no circumstance may the line be downsized. There must be a continuous ¼" per foot pitch for all horizontal piping in a TPRV discharge line. There may be no traps or valves on the TPRV discharge line and there may be no treads or fittings attached to the discharge end of the line. When a TPRV discharge line is terminated outside the structure it must be in a position of plain view and MAY NOT be obstructed by shrubbery or other landscaping materials. In instance where a drip pan is also required, the drip pan and TPRV must have separate dedicated drain lines. Under no circumstances may the drip pan and TPRV be combined on the same line....See MoreWater Heater Install -- Good Price?
Comments (6)Tellicobi stated he was a Plumber and that water heaters installed in an attic space were required to have a pan then he went on to make the following quote: "However, code does not require that the pans be drained to the outside or some other safe location." I don't know what code they may be using where he lives but that is not true of the national model codes. A watertight pan required for heaters in an attic or over wood that can be damaged by leakage IRC-2801.5 UPC 510.7 The pan is required to be a galvanized steel pan (min 24gauge thickness) or other listed pan (may be plastic. IRC-2801.5 UPC-510.7 Pan drain size 3/4" minimum IRC2801.5.1 UPC-510.7 Drains are required to terminate into an approved waste or outdoors within 6" to 24" above grade IRC-2805.1 UPC-510.7 Pan minimum 1-1/2" deep IRC-2801.5.1 TPRV (temperature/pressure relief valve) MAY NOT drain into the pan IRC-2803.4.5 UPC-603...See MoreState brand hot water heater
Comments (3)Contrary to what your plumber told you this a residential heater. I purchased a 40 gal Turbo 25 yrs ago on the advice of a few plumber friends. It was made by State and probably the best appliance I've ever purchased. Not cheap but it was worth every penny. The design was similar, it had a coil in the tank that preheated the water which dumped out on the bottom of the tank. This keeps the tank clear of sentiments thus maintaining efficiency and extending tank life. That tank is still running flawlessly today. Here is a link http://www.statewaterheaters.com/lit/media/catalogs/res-catalog.pdf Another major benefit , we never ran out of hot water. Two adults and three children...See MoreHow long does it take a new water heater to heat up?
Comments (22)alisande, I'll have to admit, as the new information comes to light, it does raise some questions in my thinking. However, from what you describe so far, I suspect you are ok for the moment. Your original problem seems to have been air in the system as the others described. However, and only going by your description and no technical data, it did appear to take more time to bring the water to a temperature you were satisfied with. After you readjusted the thermostat it appeared to be more to your liking. My conclusion is, your cousin didn't run the water temperature as high as you do. Maybe he has kids he doesn't want to scald themselves, maybe it was to save energy, whatever his reasons. A 50 gallon tank is a pretty good sized tank for 1 person and I think if you kept the temp around 115-120 degrees, you wouldn't run out of hot water if everything is working fine. But again, there are good reasons to run the temp. higher. My advice at this point pretty much follows your line of thinking. If everything is to your satisfaction, there's nothing to fix. Let us know if anything new develops, the more information you can give up front, the better answers you will get. I think most of the folks here gave you enough info. that you know several areas to look or have someone to look at to do some trouble shooting before blowing the whistle. You'll eventually be the hot water expert in your area. As for Iris, there are 3 reasons for the tag. Making a living these days requires a job and as many hustles as one can handle. 1-I grow approx. 3 acres of rare types of Bearded Iris. Many get sold, many get processed for the perfume industry and many get processed as medicinal Oris Root. Motion photography and filming is another area of endeavor. Someone touched on another area in one of the forums so I figured they must have known me. Now of course there is no way for me to spend full time in all these areas and my profession also so others now actually work them. I just usually pi$$ them off from time to time when I come around and start playing with stuff since to me, these are hobbies....See MoreRelated Professionals
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