Greg, I get about 300 to 600 ch, depending upon our winter. Last winter we had probably a record number of chill hours here, so I was in the 600 range. I am about 6 to 7 miles from the coast, but in the hills a bit. And, apples are not as picky about chill hours as other stone/pome fruits are. I grow several varieties of apples, including the classic low chill apples for California (Golden Dorsett and Anna), as well as several varieties of Fuji, Honeycrisp, Pink Pearl, Rubiyat, Goldrush and Hidden Rose. They will all produce, perhaps some not as heavily as they might with more chill hours, but enough for my needs. If you go to Kuffel Creek's web site, you'll be able to read what Kevin has done out in Riverside county growing all kinds of apples - without the requisite chill hours. And, you're correct - citrus will actually do reasonably well even in nearly full shade. Probably the one cultivar that will be happier in more sun are grapefruits, but lemons, limes, oranges and mandarins will do fine in partial shade. Of course, the more sun, the better (taking care for sunburn on young trunks of course), but they'll produce fruit and perform for you in areas as you have your planted. We are very fortunate here in S. California, to live in one of the most forgiving environments for citrus. Patty S. Here is a link that might be useful: Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery

Kt, You must get up very very early in order to take such beautiful photos in the mornings, and not be late for work! I'd be caught in the moments of watching the changing light of any sunrise, and probably be late for work. As always, I enjoy viewing your outstanding photos, Julie

Oh I love that one. I love sunrises and sunsets. That is NICE. Really evokes a setting, if that makes sense. Thanks for sharing Minrose.

DoorProz & Homesealed, I thank you both! I have not made up my mind yet but I did know before posting, that I was not going with American Jewel and that is why I emailed the installer/store back and told them to give me a quote for the Sunrise as I knew he was a sunrise dealer since his name and store was given to me last year from Sunrise.. Tomorrow night, I have a Okna approved dealer coming by whose name was given to me last year when I was going to get windows but decided to wait as they were so much money. I will share everything when I get my other quote and then I will make a decision. Anderson Renewal is not being considered and I do not want American Jewel windows despite the specs looking the same after doing reviews the other day. Thank you both and everyone on this forum that posted above for sharing what you know. Anyone else who wants to give input to this thread, that would be helpful. Homesealed, thank you for letting me know that the entry door and sliding doors is a good choice. :)