Looks like Spetember 24 is the day! Location: St. Mary Catholic Secondary School, 1918 Whites Rd, Pickering  located on the west side of Whites Road, one block south of Finch Avenue From the 401: Exit Whites Rd. And go north on Whites. Continue past Kingston Road (Highway 2) and proceed through four traffic lights. After the fourth traffic light, you will see the school on your left. You can enter the school directly off of Whites Road From Kingston Road: Turn north on Whites Road (if you are heading eastbound, turn left onto Whites Road; if you are heading westbound, turn right onto Whites Road). Proceed through four traffic lights. After the fourth traffic light, you will see the school on your left. You can enter the school directly off of Whites Road From Finch Avenue: Turn south onto Whites Road (if you are heading eastbound, turn right onto Whites Road; if you are heading westbound, turn left onto Whites Road). Just before you approach the first traffic light, the school can be seen on the right side of the street. There is a driveway directly off of Whites Road. From Taunton Rd: (from the west Steeles changes to Taunton) Turn south onto Whites Road (if your heading from the East, turn left If your heading from the West, turn right) Proceed past;3rd Concession Rd, over railway tracks and straight through Finch Ave. The school can be seen on the right side of the street. There is a driveway directly off of Whites Road. The beauty of cut and paste from the Spring posting..... Hoping for the same rules as usual; 1. Tailgater (meaning trading out of our vehicle trunks in a pre-determined empty parking lot) 2. No sales. 3. Pre-arranged trades ahead of time most welcome. 4. Any garden related living or inanimate object welcome at the trade (so not just seed packets and plants, but old tools, extra fertilizer, old garden books/magazines, compost, etc. - anything garden related actually is most welcome especially if you are new to these swaps and are just starting out but don't have alot of plants/perennials to divide up and swap/trade) 5. The ever popular 'swap circle' - which is the place we randomly place one (or 10) items in the circle which enables us to take one (or 10) items in exchange - this is the circle where you'll find things you never knew you wanted/needed). Now head on over to the Conversation side Cheryl

I listen to Felder almost every week -- he's great. I also have the Antique Rose Emporium catalogs going back a few years. The problem is that I have only seen these rose bushes from the car when they were in bloom. In January I stopped and knocked, but no one was home and of course there were no blooms then. :( If I go through again I will definitely stop and ask. I looked up the address on Google Earth and can see in the "streetview" function that most of them are white (a few are pink/mauve). I think they might be a hybrid musk of some kind, but cannot be sure.... ??? I am just hoping that someone else will have seen them as it is near a fairly major road (that's how I discovered them). I'm sure I could figure it out if I had a bloom to study, but alas, we go that way only 1-2 times a year. I will try again though. Thanks for your suggestion about ARE. I have studied the catalogs, but have not used their site to search. I'll let you know what I come up with. :)

Matt, My wife agrees with yours about the lack of normality. She doesn't like snakes at all, the other herps she's okay with. I think I've got my 2 yr. old son on my side. He seems to have already developed an interest in herps. But he and I have a hard time convincing her that we're normal. Thanks for your posts, always enjoy them. Evan

Our 4x4 trek yesterday. It said online it was a well maintained road...take a look...:0) We were heading into a bristle cone forrest. The oldest trees around...